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Postby beeno » May 23rd, '07, 13:42



And sorry, but it still seems like a tutorial not a performance.
Don't say things like "and then they can check the..... and you can show the....."
Just do the effect as if you're performing to a lay person and not a bunch of magicians.

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Postby Mahoney » May 23rd, '07, 14:30

What bothered me the most is that you said "to make it even more impossible" you would sign the coin. From the spectators point of view, how does this make it more impossible? What difference does this make to the penetration? By saying this you are basically admitting that the first penetration used two coins. Then you go on to show the signed coin penetrations which aren't nearly as impressive as the first one.

Don't bother with the signed coin version at all in my opinion. If people come back and say "you used two coins" (which they shouldn't by the way) then you can show them the signed version and blow them away. I always think it's best to leave a sort of 'void' for the spectors to move into. Firstly their response is more predicable which is good for you, and secondly I find that in a multi phase routine you can let the spectator promt the next part, whether they actually say what they are thinking or not. It's good to leave this void which sucks them in. This is far better than 'chasing' them around trying to prove things. Give them the opportunity to come to the conclusion that it must be magic.

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Postby Citrus » May 23rd, '07, 14:30

Still fair play to him for trying to invent new effects, just because he needs to practice and refine them, i still don't think there is any need to try and crush his enthusiasm. Also he has many years ahead of him which can allow him to progress into a possibly skilled magician.

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Postby Mahoney » May 23rd, '07, 14:33

Yeah sure good going Michael :wink:

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Postby Markdini » May 23rd, '07, 14:34

Yeah you got admire him really for his "I will impress you lot" type attitude. The problem is people not in the know have gave him way to much encouragement over the years. Now he is talking to us jaded lot we find flaws.

I am master of misdirection, look over there.

We are not falling out young Welshy, we are debating, I think farlsy is an idiot he thinks I am one. We are just talking about who is the bigger idiot.

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Postby Michael Kras » May 23rd, '07, 18:36

Thank you for your advice. I agree with the "To make more impossible" bit and will change that for future performances.

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Postby I.D » May 24th, '07, 09:12

you really need to get rid of your Sankey'isms.

One minute,we're your audience, next minute your trying to sell us your latest effect.

Whenyou perform these, perform them directly tous as if we are your audience, its only going to confuse you otherwise.. I hope you dont perform for real people yet and speak to them with terms like ' and of course, you can hand this out to be examined ' which Ive heardin most of your videos

Sankey influences or not, get rid. I am a big fan of Sankey too, but beside the handling and effects, no one would know. I have my own style.

You need to develop your own style which I where I personally think you should spend the next year or so working on. forget new videos, really try and make your magic your own.

Hve your read Sankey's beyond secrets? Then you would know it would make him sick if he saw you on here cloning him!!

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Postby Jocce » May 24th, '07, 11:18

About the way you hold the glass in the first sequence, it is a dead giveaway. Maybe experiment with a FC instead of TP?

Second penetration, no seriously. This is too obvious and there's a reason why Geir Bratlie constructed Infusion the way he did and you're breakin most of the rules. What's wrong with the original?

Third one won't work without a lot better attention management and you also really need to work on your sleights to make them more natural. Faster won't cover for unnatural.

Good luck and have fun :)

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Postby MarcLavelle » May 24th, '07, 21:31

nice tutorial.

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Postby Jocce » May 24th, '07, 21:33

Hi Michael
I uploaded a video at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4hn8mdVMBk to illustrate what I was talking about regarding the first phase. A FC makes it easier to hold the glass in a more natural way than a TP in my opinion.

The timing's a bit off since I basically just shot it right off but you get the general idea. I don't like bordering on exposure so I set it to private view only and added you to friends list. Anyone else wants to see, I'm "jocceek" at youtube. PM me for invitation.

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Postby Markdini » May 24th, '07, 21:35

Stop picking on him all the time, I tell you something the kid has huge nuts conisdering that he comes on here with his latest c*** (not the best) effect and we slate it. Would you keep comming back for more he is either very brave or very stupid. Ok his patter lines are a bit i am going sell you a trick and the handling awkard and stuff but at least he is trying.

I am master of misdirection, look over there.

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Postby Sir_Digby_Chicken_Ceaser » May 24th, '07, 21:37

Maybe he should try til' the effect and patter are perfect. Then nobody would slate him, but praise him for a decent effect? People offer advice here and most of what you call "slating" i would call constructive criticism, which can only help him to improve.

Its better us telling it how it is then saying its all peaches and cream and then him going and performing at for someone and getting frowned at

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Postby Jocce » May 24th, '07, 21:38

Well, I actually tried to sneak in something helpful between the picking but I guess I should just let it rest.

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Postby MarcLavelle » May 24th, '07, 21:39

he asked for feedback, people GAVE him feed back, constructive, by the looks of it.

my comment however, is that he has basically shown me how to do it, not that i will, as this is not really my style of magic, but none-the-less, people will see how its done.

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Postby Markdini » May 24th, '07, 21:41

Oh yeah its a c*** (not the best) effect and its been done a million times and has shown us how to do it now. But you know brothers in arms and all that. Then again he dont do him self many favours either.

I am master of misdirection, look over there.

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