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Postby Beardy » Jul 31st, '07, 19:27



Hey guys. just had an idea for an effect today

basically - is there any way that I can make it look like I have an imprint of a 2p coin on my hand? Basically, like I havee put it in a fire, and pressed it to my hand - like I have burnt it into my hand :P

I just want to make my coin vanishes look that much more realistic ;)

What kind of person blows on a coin to make it disapear? No - I have real powers...the coin gets hot with me...sometimes too hot and gets too hot to handle before it disapears...

especially if I borrow a coin...mis-call the date...and as it gets really hot before vanishing, it marks my skin...

haha - do you guys know of any temp tatoos, or any other way to make this possible, like I have burnt my hand with a scalding 2 pence...rather than actually scalding my hand with a 2 pence?

cheers guys and gals!

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Postby seige » Jul 31st, '07, 19:29

What I'd do is make a copydex copy of a 2p, carefully cut it out, and copydex it to my palm.

That would look like a REAL burn/imprint.

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Postby Beardy » Jul 31st, '07, 19:30

is it just me? or am I actually thick? ;)

what's a copydex?

8)

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Postby seige » Jul 31st, '07, 19:34

Copydex is water based latex glue.

When dry, it's like skin.

It comes handily in a tub, or tube.

I would say that 2 or 3 light coats on the 2p, followed by a gentle layer of talc (VERY fine mist) before peeling it off the 2p when dry (to stop it sticking to itself) will do the job.

Copydex should be easily available in most stationers.

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Postby Beardy » Jul 31st, '07, 19:35

snazzy...and would the spectator be able to touch it without it feeling...i dunno...gluey :P

as in - it feels like skin?

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Postby seige » Jul 31st, '07, 19:38

Blapsing_Beard wrote:snazzy...and would the spectator be able to touch it without it feeling...I dunno...gluey :P

as in - it feels like skin?


Once it's glued to your skin, I recommend mattifying it with another FINE mist of talc.

That done, it will look and feel pretty close to real skin.

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Postby Michael Kras » Jul 31st, '07, 19:38

I must say this sounds like an excellent idea.

Try the Liquid Bandages you can purchase... they look just like skin and can be molded into whatever shape.

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Postby Rob » Jul 31st, '07, 20:10

Okay - a little thought on this...

....The initial set-up's quite an intricate affair and, as such, will definately need to be applied prior to appearing in public.

Also, the coin vanish is going to HAVE to be the very first effect performed, so as not to have the imprint 'skin' revealed too early.

On the up-side, once the effect's concluded, you can then go on and perform several more effects with the piece in-situ. Before your very last effect, you should actually be able to rub and ball-up the piece (dried copydex is great for this), and ditch it.

Perform your final effect, and then remind your specs about your nasty, raised 'burn' (without showing your palm, of course).

Now, it's a very simple matter of lightly-rubbing your (totally-clean) palm, before revealing it to be completely-healed!

Remember, too, that you can talc BOTH sides of the gaffs, meaning that you can prepare multiples, and keep them in an envelope for re-sets between performances at the same gig; a quick, light brush of copydex on your palm, reattach the next one, and you're good to go again.

In some ways, this idea is really begging to be developed into a commercial effect, and I suspect that Chris may well want to request that it's moved into the Research & Development area :wink:

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Postby Markdini » Jul 31st, '07, 20:24

Sounds like stigmata with a coin. I dont like the healing idea much, sorry rob. Now wheres me copydex?

Oh by the way Beardy if you want me to heat up some coins for you and drop them in to your hand mate just give me a call.

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Postby Renato » Jul 31st, '07, 20:36

robstanley1 wrote:Also, the coin vanish is going to HAVE to be the very first effect performed, so as not to have the imprint 'skin' revealed too early.


I don't know - I think this is where good routining comes in. Performing some other magic prior to this would vastly enhance this effect.

Provided you chose your material carefully - or how you handled it - so as not to prematurely expose the gaff - and then perform the effect in question then you will have your audience swearing that your hands were perfectly normal before.

It's all about indirection :wink:.

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Postby IAIN » Aug 1st, '07, 08:34

a very easy method for an imprint of a 2p or whatever coin you wish is just pressure i've found is this:

if you use a Micro PK device on your arm, and use a 2p to close up the strap and block, instead of a pin, after about 10 minutes you'll have a red and angry looking imprint of whatever coin you've used...

so it's 2p on arm, strap, Micro PK...worked for me anyways... :?

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Postby Beardy » Aug 1st, '07, 08:46

how long would that last though? Would it last a night of performing, and does it look like a burn as such? hmmmmmm.....

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Postby IAIN » Aug 1st, '07, 09:04

well...i can't give you figures...

try it and see...no arm done if not eh...

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Postby Rob » Aug 1st, '07, 09:11

Thing is, I think, from looking back at the first post, that Chris wanted the imprint on his palm, and not his arm.

Bit difficult, strapping an M5 to your palm, in such a way as to press the coin into the recess of your palm, I'd guess? :wink:

Also, I've just tried this with my arm; aside from my hand and wrist turning an interesting shade of purple, the actual imprint (this is after 10 minutes, using a 10p coin) is poor - the raised outer edge works well, but there's just no definition of the actual coin detail :(

4 minutes or so, after the impression has been made...and it's faded quite a bit already, too, so I suspect this method may not produce the results that are being looked for.

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Postby seige » Aug 1st, '07, 09:15

It works with Copydex a treat... just done a quick test.

Only thing, the 'cast' of the coin is a bit shiny, so all I did was randomly dabbed some more Copydex on with a damp piece of sponge... it's randomised it nicely.

The gimmick is stuck to my hand as we speak, and I'm able to type quite easily with it. Although I wouldn't recommend wearing it for a long while, as it will definately start to come off.

EDIT: in fact, after a few flexes of the hand, it starts to bubble/peel.

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