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Right one thing that has been haunting me is that ever since i bought Bobo's MCM is backpalming a coin...
I can bacpalm a card perfectly with ease and speed but with a coin i just cant!!!!
Ive been trying over a year with every single coin that exists(Pound,2p,Half Dollar,Dollar,50p)Ive even got a collection of ancient coins which most of them are HUGE.
I really wanted to learn this because it allows to perform much more demanding sleights....
Please help

Thanks

I've been tryiong to help a friend with his backpalm laely but he just doens't seem to be able to get it either. I'm wondering if some people aren't just physically able to do it.

I would say that the backpalm is far too much hassle for the applications it has.
I would say go with a goshman pinch instead. It does the same job but easier to achieve.
Not that I can do either mind you.

Lady of Mystery wrote:I've been tryiong to help a friend with his backpalm laely but he just doens't seem to be able to get it either. I'm wondering if some people aren't just physically able to do it.

I think there's truth in that.

But there's also truth in the fact that it's not a necessary sleight.

Tenkai/Goshman pinch facilitates pretty much the same effect.

I find this post similar to the posts about muscle passes, top-shots, etc...

People seem to be struggling so hard with a particular sleight because it looks 'cool', whereas in fact their time could be much better spent on something else.

Just a thought...

Its not because it looks cool...
If i use the pinch its much more less angle friendly
And there are a lot of excellent stuff you can do with it that you cannot with the pinch

I was just going to say.. just use the tenkai pinch instead.

Lots you can do with it and a LOT lessasier than trying to backpalm. the effect is the same

sly wrote:Its not because it looks cool...
If I use the pinch its much more less angle friendly
And there are a lot of excellent stuff you can do with it that you cannot with the pinch

Hmmm...

Backpalming is visible from behind... Goshman/Tenkai is visible mainly from beneath.

Usually, I don't have too many spectator's lying on the floor

What are you trying to do with backpalm? Perhaps we could suggest alternatives to you.

ive no learnt the tenkai,is it on bobos?

sly wrote:ive no learnt the tenkai,is it on bobos?

I am assuming your copy of Bobo's has an index?

I very very rarely ever use the back palm. I know there are quite a few tricks in Bobo that do use it but most of the time it can be got around with a little bit or reworking.

Whenever a make a vanish,most spectator will say can you make it appear again?(mostly the tunnel vanish)and the way i usually do it is reach behind theyr ear(tie,arm,chin,whatever)with it classic palmed.
And i tought it would be more effective if i used the back palm because the spec can see that the hand is empty.

But its seems the best solution here is to re-read MCM.

To facilitate coin vanishes and appearances (the classic 'behind your ear' for example) I would AWAYS use a classic palm, followed with fingertip rest, followed by a thumb clip.

You ask 'WHY!?!?!? Why not show your hand empty first?"

My answer is: by first showing your hand empty, you are preparing them for the fact that something will indeed appear from your hand.

However, by slowly raising a hand to their ear—a hand in which a coin is concealed in a clip—and then producing a coin, there will be much more wonderment and surprise.

You don't need to explicitly show the hand empty before hand. So long as the hand 'appears' empty during it's movement up to the ear, all is fine.

As for 'whenever you make a vanish, spectators ask them to make it re-appear', simply tell them no.

YOU control the spectators—not the other way around.

I think alot of times magicians want to do these difficult slieghts just for the sake of it.

What you've got to think about is what the specs going to remember. Use a back palm or a classic palm, the end effect is going to be the same. The coin appeared from no where. Unless you're going to make a point of showing your hand empty, which in my opinion is not always a good thing to do, the specs experience is going to be exactly the same regardless of method.

I find the comments in this thread very comforting. I am not a coin man, mostly because I just have not spent as much time with coins as I have with cards.

But I find I need a bit of coin work especially for impromtu stuff.

The basic sleights in Bobo can give you quite a lot of scope without going in for the knuckle crunching stuff. I further struggle with the real finger benders because I have some arthritis in both hands. But I can still do a decent vanish and reappearance.

The thing about showing an empty hand is that it can give the spectator the idea that this is where the coin actually went. The spectator, the average spectator that is has no idea how you made a coin vanish when you use a French Drop, so why indicate where the coin may have been all the time?

I have practiced the back palm with an American half dollar. It's just as wide as my two middle fingers and I practiced by just holding the coin between my index and pinky finger to build up a solid grip with those fingers. Maybe the back palm may not suite you however. Maybe looking into a tenkai pinch, I am using that one instead sometimes and it does give a cleaner look.