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Hello,

I appologize if this is not the right section to post my question...but any TIP will be greatly appreciated.

On Joshua Jay's Close Up, Up Close Volume 2, the 4th trick is called THINK-A-CARD, in which the spectator thinks of a card, reveals the name of the card, and within two seconds, the performer asks the spectator to turn over the deck's top card...and guess what? The spectator's card is on top.
Stacked, Memorized, Pass...Ok...enough said...I'm not looking to be banned for exposure...so please warn me if I'm going too far...

Anyway, before I ask my question....I will mention that Joshua doesn't go over the explanation very well. He doesn't mention which stack deck version he uses...just that he memorized it....52 cards! Oh well...maybe he made up the order... He gives tips as to the false shuffles and most important, LOCATING the NAMED card. But as you might guess, this is a very hard trick to perform.

Now finally, here is my question. Is there a trick out there that is similar, that can be purchased (either a gimmick, a DVD or a book)? Something similar to BANG ON...but without the envelop...or reaching into a packet...as spectators can assum you have 10 pockets (eventough two are required for Bang On). Something that doesn't use a wallet either...just a regular deck in plain view. But the deck needs to be examinable...(unlike PRIME CUT)

A similar trick that I perform can be found in Stars Of Magic, Bernard Billis. The trick is called SANDWICHED TOUGHT CARD, but the handling is not very clean.

Another similar trick, IT'S A STEAL, on Martin Sanderson's BUSINESS DVD, where a spectator thinks of a card as the performer riffles the deck (no force), is one of my favorites. But this one, is not completely angle proof...Joshua's version is!...But I'll admit, I'm not an EXPERT yet. I will have to practice Joshua's version for a long time.

So...with all this in mind, I am looking for another version to add to my repertoir. If anyone has any suggestions, please let me know.

Thanks.

stack deck version he uses...just that he memorized it....52 cards

Joshua Jay and Simon aronson created a Theory "Memorized Deck"

David Brizio has wrote a theory as well based on the above theory called "Memorizing a whole deck in an hour" it isn't a particular stack.

If you would like a little help in this area besides the books loomismagic.com has an area devoted to memorizing decks with books you can purchase and with articles based on the theory.

A good Read containg Korts effect is Ron Bauer’s 19th manuscript

Hope this helps alittle.....

as far as other "versions of the routine" Vernon and Kort Created the original effect called "think of a card" this however does require a Certain stack.

Not totally sure about the effect in question.....but if you memorized the entire deck it really wouldn't take long at all......think "Sam the bellhop" and you will have a story that fits the memorization...just a thought.

I have used memorized deck. The problem is that it is not enough to know card2position and position2card, but the knowledge have to be cold at anytime of day or night. I used to be in this position, but unless you use it every day for a substantial time, I think one soon get a bit rusty (this happened to me). Instead I just decided to do slightly different effects that essentially achieve the same. A memorized 8King order is more mathematical and easier to handle, and save you a lot of effort. The cards can (like explained on Green Lite) easily be spread across the table so the spectators can appreciate the random patterns. At the same time i find that the 8King is more versatile then a "traditional" memorized deck but can essentially be used to achieve the same.

Is there any reason the deck couldn't simply be in "new deck" order (or sort of new deck order, for USPCC cards)? Ace of Spades on top, through to King of Diamonds at the bottom.

The only issue is not showing the deck to start. Why bother, if you are shuffling the deck, passing, etc.? Don't make it more complicated than you absolutely have to.

One way to compromise is to just ask the person to think of any number between 1 and 13 and then without hesitation reveal a card with that value
reversed in the deck, on top on bottom or whatever you like (I have seen a number of ways to achieve this, though I do not perform them myself). On my repertoire I have an even a simpler version by Dai Vernon where only 4 cards (a 6,7,8 or 9) are the possible choices and the selection is revealed in a quite powerful and clean way. This always get a strong reaction!

Just a thought, but what about stacking a Rama Deck. That way you only need to remember half the deck and it "should" be possible to locate the selected card faster. The deck will also withstand a casual examination. PM me if you have any questions.

I replied to this in the miscellaneous section.

One way to compromise is to just ask the person to think of any number between 1 and 13 and then without hesitation reveal a card with that value

Honestly don't remeber..but in hopes of sounding like a fool...Isnt that the original Effect vernon used?

I replied to this in the miscellaneous section

Now i goto walk all the way over there.....sheesh.. *Walks*

sorry,

Buy Derren Brown's Trick of the Mind, or one of many other books that teach you how to memorise a deck of cards. I personally use mnemonics and can learn a deck in 15 minutes. Ok, so you can't do the trick *totally* impromptu, but lots of tricks require a little prep...