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I might be there, I'm currently suffering from swine flu and don't want to make it worse. If I get better I'll be there

working till about 6, then ill be there

I'll be there from 12 till 9 ish then I'm off to a Nintendo Character Theme birthday party

Ok Party theme changed but I'll still be there.

Can we start gathering some names for attendees. Looks like I'll be on my own for the most part of the day.

From 12

Agecroft

From 5/6

KillerKlownKris
CutToTheAce

I'll try to be there for 12 (this Saturday?) Could you send me your new number agecroft?

Seen the news today and does this mean that you will now need one of those new ID cards to make all future Manchester meets?

Seriosuly, who's going to fork out for one voluntarily? this has got to be one of the daftest plans yet

dat8962 wrote:Seen the news today and does this mean that you will now need one of those new ID cards to make all future Manchester meets?

Seriosuly, who's going to fork out for one voluntarily? this has got to be one of the daftest plans yet

Jacqui Smith can stick her ID cards right up her big fat bum. I'm not having one. Sixty quid and for what? "Convenience". That implies that there will be an increasing number of times when we'll be asked as a matter of course to produce them (in shops, etc.). Of course, each check will have to be processed against a central database - a nice big fat juicy database of all previous checks and, by implication, our movements and interactions. Well, that's one possibility, but the way this government has abused our trust, can you honestly see them not doing this on some vague grounds of "security"?

So, it's Jacqui Smith's bum for my card and no mistake, missus.

Anyway, I can't make Friday or Saturday. I'm going to a local beer festival.

Since we have to provide evidence of who we are to get those ID cards, why can't we justr use that same evidence as and when required? Oh, silly me, there's no money in it is there....

Mandrake wrote:Since we have to provide evidence of who we are to get those ID cards, why can't we justr use that same evidence as and when required? Oh, silly me, there's no money in it is there....

And what if those lesser forms of ID are faked? It's madness, I tells yer. Madness.

Tomo wrote:And what if those lesser forms of ID are faked? It's madness, I tells yer. Madness.

Also, how many of these initial trial cards will be acquired just for the purpose of faking and duplicating?

As with current ID cards for gas meter readers etc, how do we know those are genuine? Do we have any verifed images of proper cards to check against? Anyone with a computer, printer and laminator can produce a very convincing ID card.....

Aye, Japan's cards had "cosmetic" forgeries within something like six months.

What angers me is that the government have let the National Insurance database go to the dogs so they can turn around and say that one of the reasons we need the ID cards is to prevent illegal immigrants from working (or at least to make it easier to prosecute their employers). Rather than just ensure that they're only giving out NI cards to legal workers, they've been giving them out willy nilly, and suddenly it's a problem.

I'm saving my sixty quid to buy Gordon Brown a f___ing clue.

And don't get me started on this DNA database malarkey. Panorama covered the case of an entirely innocent student who took part in the trials of the system in the early 1990s. They kept his damned DNA in the database - one assumes "just in case".

A few years later, the student was raided by police who suspected him of busting open a post box and stealing the mail. He was charged due to the cops having irrefutable DNA evidence. However, when the case came to court, it emerged that the evidence was on a Christmas card found at the scene which the student had quite innocently posted to his mum.

This is what I fear most in modern society. Not muggers and suchlike, but a trail of irrefutable stupidity caused by training out the ability of people to think pragmatically.

Nurse! Up the dosage. He's "thinking" again.

With both DNA and fingerprints, it's not too far removed from leaving your PIN on everything you come into contact with.

Mr_Grue wrote:With both DNA and fingerprints, it's not too far removed from leaving your PIN on everything you come into contact with.

New Scientist recently ran a feature on home DNA hobbyists in the US. The really functional stuff you can already do on the kitchen table makes magic look like child's play. Imagine being able to accurately swab a known sample and substituting it for your own. Your dog could get his own card!

As a representative of the rich white upper middle class, I advice you all to stop complaining, less you get earmarked as 'trouble makers.'