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Jing wrote:I agree with the UnSleight principle (although i've never called it this before).

Not surprised you've never called it this - it's my own expression, and 'UnSleightly' is the name of a chapter in my (hopefully released one day) book.

your doing a book?..... put me down for a signed advance copy please... hehe

still no post for me from you though.... gonna give me posty a kicking!

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Funnily enough, this disturbs me a lot. Especially with the nature of the 'items' enclosed.

Help?

its funny cos ive had plenty of other items posted to me recently (including a fully assembled paddock stand!) and had no problem with any of them so i dont see why packages from you should be targeted by the sticky fingered posty?

siege.

signed copy oh yes.

did you get the pics i sent you re van.

just to stay on topic i dont do emsley myself but would agree its is an unslieght

in coin terms it woulod be considered as a holdout rather than a slieght

One more signed and dedicated copy over this way please, ta ever so.

i bought a book on relatively modern sleights called 'techno card magic' by Daniel Rhod which has an excellent explanation of the elmsley as well as many others. it is the best example i have seen of the elmsley in the hands. (£7, not bad i think)

it is the best example i have seen of the elmsley in the hands

you mean even better than mine?.... hehe

i correct myself, second best i have seen

One of the most natural deep ECs I've seen (whilst we're on the subject) is performed by Jay Sankey. I think this is because his sleights always tend to be slightly more energetic than most, and he seems to quite deftly 'throw' the cards around.

And as far as the theory of a large action covering a small, the speed and accuracy of his deep EC fooled me for a while into thinking it was a regular count.

It's not right to emulate, but I do believe that thinking along the lines of my UnSleightly priniciple, the action of any sleight should look as smooth and natural as if you were indeed counting in a regular manner.

Sankey goes one step further, and performs an exaggerated, noisy count. But it works a treat!

I'm hurt that I'm in third place Luker!

did i say second? i meant third.

This is dedicated to Bananafish just to prove I do keep my promises.

I am only interested in the book if it includes a deep deep E.C. (difficulty rating: 5)

I don't understand why there is this huge debate about the E.C. By learning the E.C. there is a whole gateway of other counts that will be at your finger tips (bad pun). Such as the Dazzle count or the Revolution count (incidentally all of which need to be performed deep in the hand).

Pick up the cards practice and then practice some more. Maybe that is the problem with all this ready made magic available...... uh oh I can feel a different thread coming on. Sorry Seige I am going to have to stop again

So many people are afraid of sleights, and as you say, so many people become reliant on packet tricks or gaffs.

Sleights and other utility moves are fundamental in being able to take your enjoyment of the artform to the next level.

'Purist' card magic, i.e. card magic reliant on totally un-gaffed, un-gimmicked decks, is something which I think you should at least look at if you're interested in card magic after using, for instance, a Svengali or Stripper deck.

Most people start their card magic interest with either of these, and in fairness, I still use them now. But the enjoyment of actually learning and perfecting your card sleights is paramount to becoming a pupil of card magic.

All of these things take a long time to learn, and like Midas Kid, I've been doing this for over 10 years now, practicing wherever and whenever I can. I'm far from being perfect, but what I can say is that things that I never EVER thought possible are now just a deck of cards away.

For a lot of people, it's more a lack of confidence that puts them off... and this can be caused by showing someone a sleight before you've mastered it... and them saying "Well, you just keep putting them back in your left hand...".

It is SO important to handle a deck confidently. Get to know the feel of the cards, play with them, fold them, bend them, pick them up, drop them, learn how much pressure it takes to slide and hold them.

It is very rewarding, and is really worth it in the end.

You are not wrong and I am about to go off the thread.

I am going to tell the story that put me on the path to wanting to learn. Are you sitting comfortably children? Then I will begin. Many years ago in the very early days of learning the art of magic I used to visit Davenports (for those that don't know it is a magic shop in London next to Charing Cross station and it has been around since 3000 B.C. or sometihing like that). I told the guy behind the counter I want to learn magic but with everyday items. My thinking was I didn't want my sleeves bulging with plastic flowers, pockets full of different trick decks and having to carry a case around incase someone would say "show us trick!". His response was (after a sigh) "You are limiting yourself there somewhat". I know I was in a magic shop and the whole idea is to sell me the latest trick, gadget, toy whatever. But I couldn't believe that I would have to buy more gimmicks if I wanted to perform a different trick. From that point on I really wanted to be able to do stuff with anything to hand.

For me nothing beats that guy (or gal, just incase your reading this Mistress) that reaches out and grabs those cards to check them out. Only to find that they are ordinary everyday cards.