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Sounds like a very interesting trick.

Without the marketing lingo there's not much in the way of knowing whether this would fit any particular persons' performing style, but I like the sound of it regardless.

I look forward to the release and/or a demo video.

I tip my hat to you for the ambition and creativity that creating new effects requires (and Iain for the assistance).

I must say it's refreshing to see someone willing to do some work and put themselves on the line for the (magic) world to see without mentioning a $25 price tag at the same time.

i think its going to cost at least one million dollars...i may be wrong on that..

its a tidy little piece - and it's what i like best about magic, its adaptable..

so, though kate may want to murder me for saying so, you can change the props from...dun da DAH! things that arent cards...but are of similar sizes...to make it fit other presentational styles...

Thanks for the comments, everyone.

Farlsy: No stack, no memorising, no gaffs. My preferred method would require an extremely minimal set up (it would take you 2 seconds to pre-prepare) but the handling can also be altered very slightly to enable a totally impromptu performance. If someone jumped out of a bush and threw a normal deck, a normal envelope and a normal piece of paper at you, you could do this.

There's also no disappointing secret, either. I've noticed with a lot of marketed effects the description is rather different to what happens. I guarantee that the description I gave is exactly what happens.

Any two cards of your choosing can be predicted - I just said Two of Hearts and Jack of Diamonds purely because they were the first two cards I thought of as I wrote the effect up. Iain is correct, too - you don't need a deck of playing cards. You could do it with ESP cards, business cards or even blank faced cards with words written on the faces if you wanted to go down that road.

So there ya go!

Oh, and when I said a cross between Bill Malone and Derren I meant real old-school, knock-out card magic but with a hint of mentalism and psychology and finesse.

B0bbY_CaT wrote:could you do it twice? First time around you are predicting one card only, the envelope is in your pocket. Written on the envelope is "1st prediction".

Then allow the "know it alls" a moment to gloat (you could even add "it's not like I've got 52 pockets" or "I used to do this trick with 52 pockets but I could never remember which card I hid in which pocket") before putting a second envelope on the table, this time in advance. This envelope has "2nd Prediction" written on it. This envelope can be held by another spec, or left to sit on the table while you do the trick you describe above.

You could adapt it to do whatever you wanted, I suppose. Once you understand the method and handling, though, I think it'll be a lot clearer why plots similar to the description I gave would work best. The thing that hopefully blows people away is the knowledge that they chose both cards themselves, first by giving a random number and then secondly, more impossibly still, by just jamming the first selection into the spread deck at a random point of their choosing.

Mage Tyler wrote:I tip my hat to you for the ambition and creativity that creating new effects requires (and Iain for the assistance).

I must say it's refreshing to see someone willing to do some work and put themselves on the line for the (magic) world to see without mentioning a $25 price tag at the same time.

Thanks, Mage Iain is definitely a big help to me. When I came up with the basic skeleton for how to acheive this, he helped me brainstorm ways to frame it as a complete effect. I (we?) finally settled on the idea of a sealed envelope containing two predictions. I think that plays best.

As for not mentioning a price tag... I have a fairly good idea of what I might do once I've fully completed this. I'll probably make it available free to members of this forum who have been around for more than a few months. Hopefully if people like it, it will help my reputation if I ever decide I'd like to sell any future effects.

Of course, I could just be a complete idiot and this trick might totally suck, haha! Iain seems to think not, though, which is a good endorsement as far as I'm concerned!

the only downfall to your logic though kate is, that i am in fact an absolute idiot..

I like the sound of this. It's a nice effect. I just hope my card handling skills are up to it (although if I am right about how phase 1 works, I think I can do that adequately).

That's it Queen - You must officially hand over your "card magic only"... card...

Excellent thinking. The first phase sounds like an excellent use of a highly underrated move. I'm curious to learn your method behind the second portion.

I'm not sure if you addressed this elsewhere in the thread, but what would you rate this on a difficulty scale?

i'd imagine kate would want to be buried inside a giant cardbox when she shuffles off (ho ho ho) this mortal coil (not the band)...

that's how obsessed she is over cards..

it's a lovely method demetri...

IAIN wrote:..i am in fact an absolute idiot..

Damn, beat me to it.

Demitri wrote:That's it Queen - You must officially hand over your "card magic only"... card...

You're so right. But it does just say "cards only", and all the mentalism I'm interested in is connected to cards in some way.

Demitri wrote:The first phase sounds like an excellent use of a highly underrated move. I'm curious to learn your method behind the second portion.

I'm not sure if you addressed this elsewhere in the thread, but what would you rate this on a difficulty scale?

Hehe, you're on the ball, Demitri. I think you'll be pleasantly surprised about the method for the second selection - they really can put the card anywhere in the spread they choose, and it's cleaner than a very, very clean thing that has just been cleaned.

On a difficulty scale? Hmmm, not sure. If I were to use the standard Talk Magic review template I'd probably give it a "3 = some sleights used".

Ahh Queen of Clubs when, if ever, are we going to be able to learn/purchase and then learn this effect?

I have come up with an idea that would achieve a similarish result, except the card stab! Sounds brilliant!

I'm writing the effect up at the moment, and will be doing some photographs, etc., probably tomorrow, but... just to keep people interested...

Ta-daa!

This does sound intriguing and very good.

I'm really interested in how the second selection works...

queen of clubs wrote:they really can put the card anywhere in the spread they choose

I'm excited for tomorrow

by the way: Sealed fates sounds great. You really should put this out on the market with such a name!

Sealed fateS is ready to go. Special offer of £0.00, or $0.00 if you're in the USA.

It's a 1mb download of a zip file. Inside you'll find a 16 page pdf document with the full and detailed explanation of the routine, 11 demonstration photos and an alternate presentation from Mr Dunford, as well as a short video demonstrating the key move.

If you'd like a copy please send me a private message and I'll reply with the download link.

Please let me know what you thought of it, and feel free to write a review if you want.

Ohhhh that's sneaky.