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fab1qaz wrote:Yeah, guess you're right Mandrake.
Fabian.

He's always right!

Well.....almost always right

Micky, why's your banana avatar stopped moving? It's died!

Blapsing_Beard wrote:I think this has come across on some people, as even people I have successfully inducted before aren't going under now.

Maybe because when it was a new thing and they didn't really know what to expect or what should happen, they were very open to being socially manipulated. Now that they know what you're going to do, they're bored, and aren't so keen on pretending to go along with it all...

Thought I'd introduce some healthy scepticism to this praise fest Although I'm quite excited, because by the sound of it, you're all going to demonstrating your abilities to make yourself invisible or hypnotise people with a handshake at the various meet-ups, and I would quite like to see some of this stuff in action.

Farlsborough wrote:

Blapsing_Beard wrote:I think this has come across on some people, as even people I have successfully inducted before aren't going under now.

Maybe because when it was a new thing and they didn't really know what to expect or what should happen, they were very open to being socially manipulated. Now that they know what you're going to do, they're bored, and aren't so keen on pretending to go along with it all...

Thought I'd introduce some healthy scepticism to this praise fest Although I'm quite excited, because by the sound of it, you're all going to demonstrating your abilities to make yourself invisible or hypnotise people with a handshake at the various meet-ups, and I would quite like to see some of this stuff in action.

Thats what I would have thought too! But she was gutted that she didnt go under again, as she said that she loved the feel of it all!

fab1qaz wrote:Micky, why's your banana avatar stopped moving? It's died!

What!? He's dancing around happily for me still

I think Farlsborough has a point. Like with any magic, you shouldn't go around performing it all the time because people will get bored!

MickyScouse wrote:

fab1qaz wrote:
I think Farlsborough has a point. Like with any magic, you shouldn't go around performing it all the time because people will get bored!

Fortunately with hypnosis you are not limited to same extent as a trick. Any effect can be created and any explanation provided. I do not find people get bored of being around people who are hypnotized. They seem quite fascinated.

Beardy has stopped hypnotizing because he is not intending to do so. I can assure you that if his intention changes and he points his skills at the girl who he previously zapped with the appropriate intention then she will go. Boredom on the subjects part is not going to prevent that.

Anthony

I would say that the person who has gotten "bored" is not the spec but is in fact Beard. He probably doesn't realise it, but let me explain.

In all branches of mentalsim it's easy to get used to the "gasp of awe" moment. When we first perform a certain routine we work our backsides off to make it work and achieve that "gasp of awe". Trouble is, after a few succesful performances it's easy to expect the gasp of awe rather than work for it. Suddenly there's no gasp of awe and we think "God, rubbish crowd tonight". But it's not a rubbish crowd (or loss of hypnotic ability or whatever), it's just a tiny shift in our perception and expectation that just takes the tiniest edge off our performance and leads to disappointment. You need to be at the totally top of your game every time if you expect total success everytime. And this is directed at myself as much anyone else - I'm terrible for expecting people to be amazed when I think they should be and then condemning them as a rubbish audience when they're not.

I suspect that if Beard went into hypnotising this girl like his (or her) life depended on it, he'd get her hypnotised.

God, I talk the talk don't I!?

EDIT: Just re-read the thread and it seems that Chris is very aware of where the block is coming from! Well done Chris! The power is strong in you.

Remember when you felt like this

"feel sooo * awesome!

Just hypnotised someone and got them completel;y and utterly "under"

not only have i achieved invisibility now but i have also...

numbed her arm
numbed both arms
got both hands stuck to a cardboard box
become invisible
become invisible
become invisible ( Very Happy )
got her to think that the colour green was in fact, blue
have an orgasm when someone shakes her hand

and all this done in front of a girl who I realllly fancy!

haha! "

I assume she is now folding your shirts and ironing your socks?

Anthony

I have a confession to make that I don't feel totally confotrable about.....

I hypnotised my wife and told her she'd feel really horny when she woke up (come on...don't tell me you ain't thought about it).

All went well - However, when I told her (the next day) she was a little upset (ok, you might say I shouldn't have told her).

I also had a colleague who was a little upset when I told him his feet were stuck to the floor. Aftewards he said that he felt a little "out of control" and that it was uncomfortable for him. I didn't know that he had a mild phobia about having his legs stuck, it got me thinking. How do you know when you're being ethical or unethical? It isn't as easier a question as you may think!

Strep wrote:I have a confession to make that I don't feel totally confotrable about.....

I hypnotised my wife and told her she'd feel really horny when she woke up (come on...don't tell me you ain't thought about it).

All went well - However, when I told her (the next day) she was a little upset (ok, you might say I shouldn't have told her).

I also had a colleague who was a little upset when I told him his feet were stuck to the floor. Aftewards he said that he felt a little "out of control" and that it was uncomfortable for him. I didn't know that he had a mild phobia about having his legs stuck, it got me thinking. How do you know when you're being ethical or unethical? It isn't as easier a question as you may think!

I'm not going to get into my personal ethics as some might say they were very liberal and borderline illegal, only joking. But seriously, yeah. Um, with regards to your wife, I don't know what to say really. Maybe you should tread carefully with that sort of thing as you know what peoples attitudes are like towards hypnotists who do that sort of thing. I'm not saying your wife will cry rape but it's kinda best to steer away from that sort of thing if you're not willing to face the consequences. Doing it on stage for jest is different to doing it for personal gain off the stage.

With regards to your colleague, the best way to help avoid a bad reaction and a panicked victim/subject is to constantly reassure the person you are putting under. I had a few bad reactions where people felt I was being too forceful, who then started to panic that they weren't doing it right and got all flustered. This included tears rolling down my girlfriends face while she was in a trace, not nice to see I can tell you. So, as I said, constantly reassure the subject that they are perfectly safe and they are doing really well. I think this should help in the future although I'd wait for Anthony's response for a more experienced answer as that is where my answer to this originated from.

I also just read he had a phobia of having his legs stuck to the floor, maybe you could reframe that with a happy feeling, maybe link it to him laughing louder the more stuck his feet become. I'll pass that one over to Anthony..

Strep wrote:I have a confession to make that I don't feel totally confotrable about.....

I hypnotised my wife and told her she'd feel really horny when she woke up (come on...don't tell me you ain't thought about it).

All went well - However, when I told her (the next day) she was a little upset (ok, you might say I shouldn't have told her).

I also had a colleague who was a little upset when I told him his feet were stuck to the floor. Aftewards he said that he felt a little "out of control" and that it was uncomfortable for him. I didn't know that he had a mild phobia about having his legs stuck, it got me thinking. How do you know when you're being ethical or unethical? It isn't as easier a question as you may think!

You definitely crossed a line. It is the kind of thing that could undermine trust. It is the kind of thing that will have her wondering if the decisions she makes are her own.

Regarding the 'control' issue with the guy stuck to the floor, yeah sometimes people feel tension when placed in this situation. Either use someone else or release their tension or perform with it and then release their tension.

Anthony

Jacquin wrote:I believe there is some passage in the bible or christian theory that when someone is hypnotized it allows spirits that are floating about in limbo to take control, to possess your head.

In case anyone's interested:
The vatican's statement on Hypnosis (decreed way back but still in effect) basically states that: when used for therapy hypnosis is fine but when used for entertainment hypnosis lets in evil spirits and is therefore bad!
I may have paraphrased this slightly but that's the basic gist of it.
Source: "Hidden Depths: The story of Hypnosis" I can't remember the author and my copy isn't close to hand, but for the most part it seems to be a fairly reliable source.


In other RIP related news:
I was extremely pleased today when I saw my friend for the first time since his return from Germany. A few days before he left he told me that he was scared of flying and (knowing about my interest in hypnosis) asked if I could help. So I used magnetic hands as an induction and basically told him how awesome flying is (I love being in the air so I may have been a little enthusiastic ) and how the closer he came to take off the more excited he would get and that his comfort and excitement increase even more whe he finally got into the air.
He told me today that he really enjoyed the flight, which was a wonderful experience and he actually sounded really excited just telling me about it.

It was also hilarious when a little after I'd hypnotised him, we were sat in a room full of people and I just looked at him and said "Martin, Sleep!" and he just dropped straight back into trance. After I brought him back out of it he just looked around confused and said "what just happened?"

Another of my friends has since said in response to my asking to hypnotise her 'Stay out of my brain. Don't make me hurt you.'

Strike,

thank you for posting that.

Blowing away a fear by recognizing it is a bubble of belief is a good thing.

I fear I may be contradicting myself

Ant

Just to let you know, in case you missed it, that Anthony Jacquin will be one of the performers at the "Inferno" night of magic (which is really just a great big Talk Magic knees up). Details can be found at http://www.frightnights.co.uk/events/index.php?cid=1545
or on this thread: http://www.talkmagic.co.uk/ftopic28757.php&highlight=

The event is on Saturday April 11th at Middleton Hall in the midlans, and there are magical performances from Dave Taylor ("Dat" on TM) as well as the enigmatic Evanna!

Oh, I'll be there too. And there's a bar.