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Jean Eugene Roberts wrote:And then the bad aliens riding in the comet will emerge. Mankind in its weakened state will have no chance and soon humanity will be made the slaves or foodstuffs of the Kar'a'kgha, lead be the evil general T's'moo.

I'm going to assume you're just "taking the P*SS" and having a little fun.

Jean Eugene Roberts wrote:And personally BObby_CaT I'm not too worried about any 'real problems' in the 'real world' that threaten any kind of doomsday.

So you're just worried about Aliens then?

Jean Eugene Roberts wrote:Trying to stop animals or plants dieing or people utilizing resources is trying to go against billions of years of evolution.

I need to say, I am not a "greenie" as such. I don't have "extreme" views about this, I dont have any t-shirts that say "save the whales, rain forests, ozone layer etc". I just comment on what I see with my own eyes.

However, one cant ignore the obvious flaw in your comment above...

The vast majority of the "billions of years" you refer to do not resemble the last 50 in terms of how the earth's inhabitants have impacted the environment. I don't think you have thought this through very well.

B0bbY_CaT wrote:
However, one cant ignore the obvious flaw in your comment above...

The vast majority of the "billions of years" you refer to do not resemble the last 50 in terms of how the earth's inhabitants have impacted the environment. I don't think you have thought this through very well.

Uhm what about iceages and the meteorite that killed the dinosaurs? Imho they had a far greater impact on extinction of species and enviroment than humans

I agree with Jean on his last post. Its evolution. Humans are doing their best to make the Earth to a hostile environment for them and are complaining that it endagers their life. But i bet dinosaurs werent that happy either that their environment was destroyed. But we survived and became the dominant race. Right now maybe the cockroaches are on the way to becoming it someday. Thats also evolution. If we are not smart enough to keep our environment clean and ourselves healthy then we deserve what we get And to be honest you and me we wont live long enough to see our species die out (well maybe if there wont be the next world war that will kill everybody). And after we die who cares what happens?? I certainly dont. I lived in China myself and know what is going on there. So what? Yeah its bad but you know we dont live much better here either. We eat c*** (not the best), are fat and ugly, get our heartattacks with 40, cancer with 30 although we have a cleaner environment. Same sh*t out of different reasons everywhere you know?

greets

memorire wrote:And after we die who cares what happens??[ I certainly dont.

I'm sorry but that's such a narrow minded view, how can you say something like that. Would you condemn a child to a life of poverty just so you can live a comfortable life? Because that's what you're saying.

It's down to everyone to do their bit to try to ensure that we leave the planet in a state that can support future generations. Do you like the thought of your grandchildren or great grandchildren growing up in a barron, smog filled world. I know that's not a thought that I like, I want them to see a green, pleasant landscape full of beauty and life.

I lived in China myself and know what is going on there. So what? Yeah its bad but you know we dont live much better here either. We eat c*** (not the best), are fat and ugly, get our heartattacks with 40, cancer with 30 although we have a cleaner environment. Same sh*t out of different reasons everywhere you know?

Again how can you say these things if you've seen how these sort of people live. You try telling them that you're as badlyoff as they are. Ok, there is alot of obesety in the westen culture but that's a personal lifestyle choice. You don't have to eat rubbish, learn to cook! You don't have to be fat, get some exercise! A healthy lifestyle will minimise the chances of a heart attack or cancer. Those poor people don't have that choice, they've got what they've got and that's that. Their life expectancies are low because of a lack of medical care and poor nutrition and that's not something that they can do much about.

Jeepers... this is turning into a depressing thread.... I feel quite down now...

I guess the sooner the ants rise up and take control of the earth the better. And I for one would therefore like to say "Hail Ants" and extend a welcome to our new insect overlords...

flashman wrote:Jeepers... this is turning into a depressing thread.... I feel quite down now...

I guess the sooner the ants rise up and take control of the earth the better. And I for one would therefore like to say "Hail Ants" and extend a welcome to our new insect overlords...

And then tip hot water on them..

Lady of Mystery wrote:I'm sorry but that's such a narrow minded view, how can you say something like that. Would you condemn a child to a life of poverty just so you can live a comfortable life? Because that's what you're saying.

Uhm where am I saying that? I just said that i dont care what happens after I die.

Lady of Mystery wrote:It's down to everyone to do their bit to try to ensure that we leave the planet in a state that can support future generations. Do you like the thought of your grandchildren or great grandchildren growing up in a barron, smog filled world. I know that's not a thought that I like, I want them to see a green, pleasant landscape full of beauty and life.

I believe you live in some illusion that you can change something if you try. Yes I know if everybody would recycle and walk then we would have a cleaner place and would save the trees and the whales and our children would have a bright future. Well there are some reasons why that wont work. First of all its not individuals who damage the environment so bad its the governments and companies. And as long as it is profitable for them they wont stop doing that. And as long as ppl let the government do it it will stay this way. If you want a nice world for your grandchildren overthrow the existing governments, destroy some big companies and get away with it and you might have a little chance for that.

Because even if you manage to do so there is another factor to consider. Its laziness. Ppl are lazy. Period. They will rather watch elections on tv than actually think and go to vote. They work for those big companies and are afraid to loose their jobs if they say something against it. In some countries they are afraid of their governments. In some countries the ppl are not happy with their government but dont move a finger to do something (germany being one of those btw).
They are rather entertained, brainwashed and deluded. Thats the reality. And to answer your question...Id rather have my grandchildren struggle
and fight to survive in a bad environment than become docile couch potatoes in a good one. You know there is only so much ppl are willing to give up and endure. And i do believe that one day we will understand that our western "civilized" lifestyle is not superior, good or healthy bud rotten and decadent. And then there will be changes. Because not everybody suffers of brainrot yet. Although media and governments try to get everybody there are enough ppl who can think with their own brains and question the establishment.
Pollution as obesity and everything else are not some monsters we have to fight against. they are just symptoms of our own lifestyle and society.
We have to change the society first, we have to make ppl think again and then those symptoms will go away from themselves. The thing is life aint that bad yet. So most ppl dont have the need to think or dont feel the urge to change. To be honest neither do I. I am 25 now. I live very healthy and am very healthy. Lets say I will live some more 60 years. Well I dont see anything changing to the better in the next 60 years. We have enough technology fixes to delay the inevitable. So why should I bother? Why should I try ad make the world better for ppl who dont deserve it? Everybody wants a clean environment when you ask them. But only few are willing to give up their lifestyle for it. Ask around.

As I said i believe its not bad enough yet that the majority are ready to change things. You want to do something good for your children? Dont let them be brainwashed. Teach them to think independently. teach them to ask more questions. If you do that they will be able to make themselves the world you want them to live in!

I lived in China myself and know what is going on there. So what? Yeah its bad but you know we dont live much better here either. We eat c*** (not the best), are fat and ugly, get our heartattacks with 40, cancer with 30 although we have a cleaner environment. Same sh*t out of different reasons everywhere you know?

Lady of Mystery wrote:Again how can you say these things if you've seen how these sort of people live. You try telling them that you're as badlyoff as they are. Ok, there is alot of obesety in the westen culture but that's a personal lifestyle choice. You don't have to eat rubbish, learn to cook! You don't have to be fat, get some exercise! A healthy lifestyle will minimise the chances of a heart attack or cancer. Those poor people don't have that choice, they've got what they've got and that's that. Their life expectancies are low because of a lack of medical care and poor nutrition and that's not something that they can do much about.

Uhm diddnt know that there are sorts of ppl to me they are just ppl
And obesity and wrong nutrition in the western world is definetly not only a personal lifestyle choice. Most of the food we get at the shops is cr*p! Ppl eat more and more processed foods. They give their children soda and breakfast cereals. They make them to sugar junkies. And thats only the tip of the iceberg and a whole topic on its own.
learn to cook...yeah so I buy some meat and some veggies and i am better off? yeah but only a bit. the chicken i get from the supermarkt has so much antibiotics and hormones in it...the veggies havepreservants and whatever in them. And how many ppl have the possibility or the money to buy organic? What kind of world is it that real healthy food is way more expensive than cr*p? where is there a choice for healthy lifestyle for ppl? ok some can afford it but the majority has to eat c*** (not the best), have their children eat c*** (not the best) and get because of that medical issues, pay the doctors have even less money because of that and eat c*** (not the best) again...its a vicious circle!
Oh and btw. in China they eat way better than here. And food is cheaper. And they dont have obesity issues as in the western world.


Lady i am sorry but the world is not a fluffy pink and safe place if you think of it.

Btw pardon me please if i come a bit agressive in this topic but its not against you or any other poster here Its just i get emotional when i get tot talk about these things

greets

Carlos75 wrote:

flashman wrote:Jeepers... this is turning into a depressing thread.... I feel quite down now...

I guess the sooner the ants rise up and take control of the earth the better. And I for one would therefore like to say "Hail Ants" and extend a welcome to our new insect overlords...

And then tip hot water on them..

hehe or get the big nice magnifying glass out

or tip hot water over them...

hehe or get the big nice magnifying glass out

I'm afraid in the New World Order electricity will be a thing of the past. Mankind will be reduced to an idyllic hunter/gatherer society, happy to receive scraps from the mandibles of our chitinous superiors. Hot water, therefore, will be at a premium and not to be frittered away in a pointless 'war of terror' against our multi-limbed masters.

Similarly, optical lenses and magnifyers will be outlawed (although th ants have graciously allowed the continuing use of contact lenses as a gesture of harmony and goodwill). However, the severest penalties will be brought to bear on any human found hoarding any of those 'really big Sherlock Holmes type magnifying glasses!' with nectar rewards given to informants who can give any information to the Secret Ant Police (optical branch).

Though the transition to a full insect government may be painful at first, I forsee a time when humans and antkind live and play together in harmony: with an aphid underclass to do all the heavy lifting.... "HAIL ANTS!"

memorire wrote:
I believe you live in some illusion that you can change something if you try. Yes I know if everybody would recycle and walk then we would have a cleaner place and would save the trees and the whales and our children would have a bright future. Well there are some reasons why that wont work. First of all its not individuals who damage the environment so bad its the governments and companies. And as long as it is profitable for them they wont stop doing that.

Yes it is the big companies that are the major cause but we can all do our bit. But we can all do our bit, I guess it's up to you. You can either spend a tiny amount of time putting a little effort into recycling, buying environmentally friendly prducts, cycling or walking instead of driving. Or you can sit on your backside, say 'oh well it's not down to me' and carry on contributing to all the problems.

Ok I might not beable to change the world but I know that what I do will lessen our impact on the planet. And the more people who put in the effort, the greater our contribution will be.

Pollution as obesity and everything else are not some monsters we have to fight against. they are just symptoms of our own lifestyle and society.
We have to change the society first, we have to make ppl think again and then those symptoms will go away from themselves.

Exactly why it's important that eveyone does their little bit to help. Culture can be changed and a good lifestyle can become the accepted norm if enough people are doing it. Some things are changing now, 20 years ago people wouldn't think twice about fly tipping but now it's a very taboo thing to do. Things can be changed but it people need to realise that it is down to the individual, it's down to every one to make that change happen, we all need to pull together.

Ppl eat more and more processed foods. They give their children soda and breakfast cereals. They make them to sugar junkies. And thats only the tip of the iceberg and a whole topic on its own.
learn to cook...yeah so I buy some meat and some veggies and i am better off? yeah but only a bit. the chicken i get from the supermarkt has so much antibiotics and hormones in it...the veggies havepreservants and whatever in them. And how many ppl have the possibility or the money to buy organic?

It's simple, don't buy processed food, don't drink sodas and eat rubbish breakfast cereals.

Ok I see what you mean about the prices of organic food but think about the price of processed foods and that arguement just doesn't stand up. Nearly everything that I eat is homemade and I always try to use decent ingredients. My meat comes from a good butcher and veg from the farmshop, you don't have to rely on supermarkets. I'm pretty sure that my shopping bill is much lower than it would be if I was living on processed rubbish from Tesco.

Lady of Mystery wrote:
Yes it is the big companies that are the major cause but we can all do our bit. But we can all do our bit, I guess it's up to you. You can either spend a tiny amount of time putting a little effort into recycling, buying environmentally friendly prducts, cycling or walking instead of driving. Or you can sit on your backside, say 'oh well it's not down to me' and carry on contributing to all the problems.

Ok I might not beable to change the world but I know that what I do will lessen our impact on the planet. And the more people who put in the effort, the greater our contribution will be.

I agree with you on that. In theory thats how it should be. The problem is most ppl are too lazy to act like that! They rather not change their life because it is too laborous. It is too much for most to change their thinking. If one wants to really change something and be able to do all the things one should change the way ppl think. But our society doesnt work like that. It is faster to get to work by car then walk or bike or bus. If you are late too often you get fired. You dont want to get up earlier to be there in time. Ergo you drive a car.

It is easier for you to go shopping with a car then having to brin all the groceries home on your back. So you drive shopping.

And by god if you take too much time on the way home from shopping you might miss your favourite series.

Lady believe me...As long as the life of most ppl are dictated by whats on TV and ppl take the easy way nothing will change. They will lament and say it must change but still will be sitting on their butts and munch the chips and drink their soda while getting brainwashed.

Our life became so fast that ppl virtually have no time to think of other things that their work, relationships and how to get by. I know there are exceptions but they are way to few to count. There is no critical mass yet which will start the process of change. It is not only the media and big companies it is also the governments who have their share with that.

Drugs are illegal. Drugs are dangerous. I agree with that. But smoking kills way more ppl than heroin. Why isnt tobacco illegal? Because governments get their share out of taxes on toacco and alcohol. Last year it was made illegal in Germany to smoke in restaurants and bars. You cn only smoke if there is a separate room for that. Government said it was so because they care about the health of their citizens. Why not make smoking illegal then? Because they would loose a substantial income on taxes then

Why does government not make unhealthy food illegal?

Lady of Mystery wrote:

Exactly why it's important that eveyone does their little bit to help. Culture can be changed and a good lifestyle can become the accepted norm if enough people are doing it. Some things are changing now, 20 years ago people wouldn't think twice about fly tipping but now it's a very taboo thing to do. Things can be changed but it people need to realise that it is down to the individual, it's down to every one to make that change happen, we all need to pull together.

hehe thank you i learned a new word - fly tipping (had too look it up)

btw do you drive a car? if yes lets pull together! i dont own a car because i dont like them and i am afraid i would become dependant on them. and i dont want that. I enjoy walking to buy groceries and i have no problems taking a tram to the university or work. Ask your friends and ppl you know who are so proenvironment if they are willing to give up the comfort they have and pull with you and me together. And sell them as soon as possible. I bet you will hear lots of excuses why they would love to do it but just cant because of ... and ... . So why should i pull for ppl like that?

Lady of Mystery wrote:
It's simple, don't buy processed food, don't drink sodas and eat rubbish breakfast cereals.

Ok I see what you mean about the prices of organic food but think about the price of processed foods and that arguement just doesn't stand up. Nearly everything that I eat is homemade and I always try to use decent ingredients. My meat comes from a good butcher and veg from the farmshop, you don't have to rely on supermarkets. I'm pretty sure that my shopping bill is much lower than it would be if I was living on processed rubbish from Tesco.

Tell this to kids today. Tell them not to go to mickeydee and not to drink soda but eat their veggies. they will look at you as if you are a martian

Go to Tesco or any other supermarket and check out the prices...forzen pizzas, precoocked meals etc. are cheap. At least in germany organic food is way more expensive than processed. Fruits are expensive. Veggies are expensive. The cheap ones dont have a taste (tomatoes are horrible here).

I also cook for myself and i enjoy cooking. i can buy organic foods here directly from the producers but thats ony because i am lucky to have found them and actually care.

Most people especially younger people just dont care. So why should i care for them if they dont even want to care for themselves?

Lady, I perfectly understand what you think and how you feel about it. And you seem to have enough idealism left in you which i admire. But i dont see it working until everybody pulls in the same direction. And not just a few. But as long as governments, media and company dont encourage this kind of behaviour with deeds (they do a lot of talking but way not enough walking) it just wont work! And i see no point in dedicating my life to a lost cause and thus i see no reasons to care. I care for my family and for my friends and the ones that are close to me. But why should i care for the rest?


HAIL ANTS!

greets

At the risk of sounding like Mother Teresa, it's true that as individuals we can't change the world but we can at least change our little bit of it - if we want to.

Damn I forgot about the Ants, those sneaky b******s.

And Lady of Mystery I'm afraid your suffering from misplaced western guilt. And seem to have fallen for the green political agenda.


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Lady of Mystery
Yes it is the big companies that are the major cause but we can all do our bit. But we can all do our bit, I guess it's up to you. You can either spend a tiny amount of time putting a little effort into recycling, buying environmentally friendly prducts, cycling or walking instead of driving. Or you can sit on your backside, say 'oh well it's not down to me' and carry on contributing to all the problems.

I assume your talking about pollution and global warming. Firstly we as a species contribute about 3% C02 emissions (the majority comes from decaying plant and animal carcasses)

Also the climate isn't changing.

Timothy Ball Ph.D, (Doctor of Science) from the University of London, England and was a climatology professor at the University of Winnipeg.
Since I obtained my doctorate in climatology from the University of London, Queen Mary College, England my career has spanned two climate cycles. Temperatures declined from 1940 to 1980 and in the early 1970's global cooling became the consensus. This proves that consensus is not a scientific fact. By the 1990's temperatures appeared to have reversed and Global Warming became the consensus. It appears I'll witness another cycle before retiring, as the major mechanisms and the global temperature trends now indicate a cooling.

As for recycling unless you take your supplies down and recycle them yourself what are you really doing? How do you know where these nicely coulored bins go? All your really doing is feeling better about yourself, your not putting any work in by cycling instead of driving, or throwing your rubbish in the right bins and letting someone else do the work for you, (and who's to say they do anyway?)

Lady of Mystery

It's simple, don't buy processed food, don't drink sodas and eat rubbish breakfast cereals.

Ok I see what you mean about the prices of organic food but think about the price of processed foods and that arguement just doesn't stand up. Nearly everything that I eat is homemade and I always try to use decent ingredients. My meat comes from a good butcher and veg from the farmshop, you don't have to rely on supermarkets. I'm pretty sure that my shopping bill is much lower than it would be if I was living on processed rubbish from Tesco.

What does 'Nealy everything I eat is homemade' mean?
I'm a vegetarian (I've got no problems with meat eaters) and that doesn't mean that 'nearly' everything I eat is meat free it means that everything I eat is meat free.

And organic food is wrong. Pure and simple.
G.M foods have been bred and genetically altered to produce more crops per acre, If all crops and farm life was 'organic' we would have enough resources to feed roughly 4 to 5 billion people.
The problem with that, is there are 7 billion people in the world today.

It' easy to want to 'eat natural' when we have the luxury to choose our food in such abundance as we do. But when the option is battery chicken or starving like it is in one third of the world, then I'll listen to your opinion.

Lady of mystery

I'm sorry but that's such a narrow minded view, how can you say something like that. Would you condemn a child to a life of poverty just so you can live a comfortable life? Because that's what you're saying.

And your saying you would condemn a child to poverty (or prostitution) for the sake of an Eco friendly life.

I don't think your bad, just misinformed. Please before you get angry at me just look into it. I don't care really what you choose to do but if your going to push your, or what is more likely, other peoples agenda on people just look into it first.

Hugs and kisses and hail to the ants.
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http://www.canadafreepress.com/2007/glo ... 020507.htm

Jean Eugene Roberts wrote:
As for recycling unless you take your supplies down and recycle them yourself what are you really doing? How do you know where these nicely coulored bins go? All your really doing is feeling better about yourself, your not putting any work in by cycling instead of driving, or throwing your rubbish in the right bins and letting someone else do the work for you, (and who's to say they do anyway?)

They dont. I once saw early in the morning while coming home from a party the pickup truck for the glass containers. In germany you have separate containers for green glass brown glass and white glass. What i saw was really interesting. The truck hat picked the glass up had only one container. It picked up all the glass containers and threw all the separated glass together in its own one single container. so much for that...

Lady, Jean is right. Dont let all this eco-ness around you blind you! Its an industry of its own and its goal is profit not your well being.

If you want to change something dont fight the symptoms. Its a fight you cant win. In order to get rid of them you have to get rid of the disease. And that disease is brainrot and simple lazyness!

greets

memorire wrote:Tell this to kids today. Tell them not to go to mickeydee and not to drink soda but eat their veggies. they will look at you as if you are a martian

Go to Tesco or any other supermarket and check out the prices...forzen pizzas, precoocked meals etc. are cheap. At least in germany organic food is way more expensive than processed. Fruits are expensive. Veggies are expensive. The cheap ones dont have a taste (tomatoes are horrible here).

I also cook for myself and i enjoy cooking. i can buy organic foods here directly from the producers but thats ony because i am lucky to have found them and actually care.

Most people especially younger people just dont care. So why should i care for them if they dont even want to care for themselves?

I totally agree with you here.

As I kid I hardly ever went to McDs, we never went as a family and when I was a teenager I had other things that I wanted to spend my pocket money on. Perhaps alot of my views about food come because my mum always cooked everything and grew her own veg.

I think it is an education thing but I really don't think that it's hopeless. I was brought up to eat well and I'm sure other kids can be too. People just have to be brought up with the right mentality, perhaps people have it too easy now and have gotten lazy but this just goes back to my first point, that it's all a lifestyle choice. We're not forced to eat rubbish, we choose to. I know that we've been talking alot about organic veg but even eating cheap boiled potatoes and a battery hen is better than chips and some frozen, reconstituted excuse for chicken.

B0bbY_CaT wrote:

Jean Eugene Roberts wrote:And then the bad aliens riding in the comet will emerge. Mankind in its weakened state will have no chance and soon humanity will be made the slaves or foodstuffs of the Kar'a'kgha, lead be the evil general T's'moo.

I'm going to assume you're just "taking the P*SS" and having a little fun.

Jean Eugene Roberts wrote:And personally BObby_CaT I'm not too worried about any 'real problems' in the 'real world' that threaten any kind of doomsday.

So you're just worried about Aliens then?

So wait, first you assume correctly that I'm taking the * with the whole doomsday scenario then you throw the aliens (part of the * take) in my face?

B0bbY_CaT wrote:

Jean Eugene Roberts wrote:Trying to stop animals or plants dieing or people utilizing resources is trying to go against billions of years of evolution.

I need to say, I am not a "greenie" as such. I don't have "extreme" views about this, I dont have any t-shirts that say "save the whales, rain forests, ozone layer etc". I just comment on what I see with my own eyes.

I thought you were a magician, are you sure believing what your eyes are seeing is wise? (I didn't know you could 'see' global warming anyway.)

B0bbY_CaT wrote:However, one cant ignore the obvious flaw in your comment above...

The vast majority of the "billions of years" you refer to do not resemble the last 50 in terms of how the earth's inhabitants have impacted the environment. I don't think you have thought this through very well.

In the last 'Billions of years' we've had.

Solar flares, asteroid bombardment, Earthquakes, Volcanoes, Recurring Ice Ages, (I assume brought on and ended by some sort of planetary cooling and planetary warming, sound familiar?) The magnetic polls of the earth have reversed seven times, the release of toxic gasses and toxic lifeforms, mass flooding, mass droughts, radiation poisoning, erosion, shifting tectonic plates and the continual release of methane gas provided by virtually every animal life from.
Not only has the planet been through that its been through it millions of times, over and over again.

The planet has continually got hotter and colder throughout at least any recorded history of weather conditions, and evidence (such as the 'first ice age that killed the dinosaur's) suggest its been going on for the entire course of planetary existence.

If there hadn't been an original 'global warming' through an increase in C02 the planet would be too cold too support human life in the first place.

And furthermore its easy to look down on the people in the poorer parts of China for 'not caring'. They're probably not worried about the environment because they've got the bigger issue of feeding they're family's.
And what exactly do you do to 'care for the environment?'