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Postby TimEden » Sep 13th, '09, 22:29



Interesting that none of their averages came out as negatives though, eh? Even though he said they could use negatives how many would actually do that knowing they were trying to predict a lottery number?!

And yes I know that 2 can be hit with other very low numbers as discussed earlier but the fact remains that higher numbers are more likely, mathematical *fact*.

If you don't believe me, get a load of your mates round - the more the better - ask them to close their eyes and write a number then average it out and see how often you hit something as low as 2. Better still go onto an online number generator, roll 5 dice and see how often the average is 1 compared to 4.

Derren's technique aside, all I was trying to point out was the statistical fact of how hard it would be to hit a number like 2, as has since been pointed out on other sites.

I've become embroiled in trying to prove a mathematical fact [sigh]. I will concede though that if they really were writing negative lottery predictions, that would have a bearing.

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Postby TimEden » Sep 13th, '09, 22:34

And can I do that clichéd thing of saying yes, I know we don't reveal explanations themselves on here but does anyone know of literature/DVDs that explain how Blaine did that lottery number effect that Lenoir posted.

What I'd give to be able to do that...

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Postby kolm » Sep 13th, '09, 22:37

FRK wrote:Go on then, someone explain the coin trick to me as I am stupid....

Player 1 chooses HHH
Player 2 chooses THH

If a tails is flipped, then two heads means player 2 wins, before player 1 has the chance to match the three heads

The game goes with any pattern if you flip the middle letter and put it at the start:
Player 1: HHT
Player 2: THH

The pattern needs to be preceded by a H, otherwise if two heads are flipped player 2 wins

Basically, it's all about making the match before player 1 has a chance, you're playing with odds. The odds depends on the pattern chosen, and are outlined on wikipedia.

It's just rather conveniently Derren Brown had the pattern with the highest odds ;)

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Postby Mr_Grue » Sep 14th, '09, 09:00

Essentially the only way player 1 can win is if he tosses three heads right from the start. As soon as the first tail is tossed, player 1 has lost, because once that has happened a third head will only ever follow THH.

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Postby pcwells » Sep 14th, '09, 09:51

IAIN wrote:i still say alot of your will be eating humble pie come the end of the series y'know... :P


If that's the case, then I sincerely look forward to it.

I honestly don't enjoy being disappointed by great performers.

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Postby escamoteur_blog » Sep 14th, '09, 12:25

just made a new blogpost about Derren Brown

Derren Brown in the trap of the Too-perfect Theory

have fun

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Postby daleshrimpton » Sep 14th, '09, 12:46

I wouldn't comment on the trick being too perfect, untill i see the end of of the routine.


We have only seen the first part of the routine.

I'm sure that there are 3 more parts to come. :)

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Postby Klangster1971 » Sep 14th, '09, 13:13

I must confess to agreeing here.......

Derren Brown (and particularly Andy Nyman) are far too savvy to not have known that this wouldn't get people's backs up. Predicting the lottery is a massively emotive topic and they will have know that absolutely no-one would have taken Friday's explanations at face value.

Remember Derren's last words "It was just a trick".

Also, remember when advertising this run of shows Derren stated time and time again that it was about misdirection - I'm hoping that the last show will tie everything together and make us realise that we haven't been watching what we thought we were watching all along.

In any case - it's good TV and what else are you going to do on a Friday night?!

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Postby TylerMason » Sep 14th, '09, 13:28

Klangster1971 wrote: I'm hoping that the last show will tie everything together and make us realise that we haven't been watching what we thought we were watching all along.


Hear, Hear dear fello :wink:

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Postby TIME » Sep 14th, '09, 14:47

Link deleted by Mods. Whilst the content was relevant, the gutter language and the gory picture underneath the article make it unsuitable for a link to be posted here where we have members from a fairly young age group. Please check the rules about links to sites where such material is posted.

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Postby daleshrimpton » Sep 14th, '09, 15:01

TIME wrote: link

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yes i remember some of that bus stuff being bannded about.

nice misdirection. :wink:

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Postby Grimshaw » Sep 14th, '09, 15:04

Thankfully i clicked on the link before it was removed.

Looks like you might be right Iain old boy.

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Postby Lenoir » Sep 14th, '09, 16:20

Wait, what?

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Postby TIME » Sep 14th, '09, 16:42

TIME wrote:Link deleted by Mods. Whilst the content was relevant, the gutter language and the gory picture underneath the article make it unsuitable for a link to be posted here where we have members from a fairly young age group. Please check the rules about links to sites where such material is posted.


I'm terribly sorry, ill copy and paste it here then

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Derren Brown; Lottery Reveal – missing footage proves he rigged it

I haven’t posted for a while, so don’t expect this story to go far as my readership has dwindled to around 3 people who come here by accident, however thought I’d share my disappointment in tonights Derren Brown; The Events Lottery reveal. Not because it turned out s*** (I can’t argue with that) but because the British public were robbed of the chance to be shown one of the most incredible, daring and quite frankly outrageous feats of any performer who’s ever graced this planet. He rigged the lottery and he has the footage to prove it.

I attended the filming of tonights show on Thursday night with two of my best friends, my flatmate Dave and my (awesome) girlfriend, Fran. As anyone who’s attended the filming of a TV studio show will tell you, the experience can be drawn out and boring, retake after retake, laughing like it’s the first time you’ve heard the joke, everytime. The heat of the studio lights doesn’t help matters either (at one point some poor bloke fainted and hit the deck). The whole time the 140 of us were there however we were treated very well, the warm up act was a good laugh and kept things rolling along nicely and we were well watered (a couple of sandwiches wouldn’t of gone amiss though). Derren also came across as a really good, humble bloke, borderline shy at times.

Anyway, after about 2 hours of filming during the Wisdom of Crowds bit (2nd possibility) I was pretty much lapping it up as I’d just read a whole chapter about it in Crowd Surfing on a recent holiday and (ironically) thought it would make good subject matter for a blog post. Then they played the backroom footage of the 24 volunteers seeing the numbers match up on Wednesday nights draw. It didn’t sit right with me at the time and I didn’t think the crowd were very impressed either, it appears the 24 taking part weren’t didn’t buy it either (first comment from DaniBoi).

Then Derren goes into the explanation for Fixing the Machine (3rd possibility). The part where he runs up on stage to pick up the six racked counterfeit lottery balls had to be re-shot about 4 times, then the bit where he explains it by picking them up had to be shot a further 3. At this point we were getting a bit frustrated with the slowness of proceedings to get to what we all really wanted to see – evidence of how he did it.

This is it; here it comes

[Derren speaking]

“If I had picked the lottery (which I did not) then I would’ve known ages ago which numbers would’ve come up and then the guesses of the 24 people would’ve been meaningless as I would’ve switched their set of balls for the numbers I knew were going to come up…

[shot of a switch happening on stage background screen]

…i.e. the numbers on the heavier balls that I put into the machine,

[believe it or not, this now cuts to a profile shot of my previously mentioned girlfriend, Fran. This is weird enough in itself but I'll choose to ignore this and move on]

Now this next bit is * crucial, because it’s at this moment that live in the studio Derren introduced a short film by saying that what we were about to see was shot in November of 2008 on Oxford St. On the stage’s framed background screen they played a sequence of him on the top deck of an open top bus at night with last years Oxford St. Christmas lights going over his head. He walks down the centre aisle of the bus and has six kids (around 4-5 years old) sitting either side of him in banks of 2. He raises each pair of hands to show the balls they are holding, and points the numbers towards the camera. All 6 numbers that came up on Wednesday’s draw. He told us we were seeing an edited version and the full sequence would be shown when it was aired the next day.

In addition, here’s an entry from his blog dated the 27th of November 2008 (had to use Google cache as his blog is currently down) that supports the fact that he was

“Currently in the middle of filming on an open top bus around Oxford st under the Christmas lights (not pictured). Tried something I hope will pay off in a year or so. Could be quite exciting”

It’s also supported by an article on Broadcast Now from the 17th of August this year where they say

“The specials have been in production since last year and included some filming on an open-top bus in Oxford Street in the run-up to Christmas”

In addition, in the teaser trailer before the show he was holding a snowflake (can’t find the vid as again, the site is down) which is an obvious reference to the Christmas lights.

[UPDATE: Thanks to some of the Will and JoeTresh's sleuthing in the comments below I've added a few more links here]

A picture of the 6 kids I refer to can be seen on Derren’s blog post dated the 12th of August 2009

In the original The Events trailer there is a bus around 30-31 seconds in with a fake lottery logo saying ‘it will be you!’

[End of Update]

After providing hard evidence (which he told us at the time hadn’t been shown in full) to us, the live studio audience , why is he reduced to leaving this video on the cutting room floor and go straight to the words

“…but I would never admit to it, and if I was ever asked I will say ‘It was just a trick’”

It sucks the * big one. After the culmination of all of about three hours of my life on this project I can only conclude there are 3 possibilities for this;

Camelot got wind of the existence of this footage and despite the fact that Derren at no point admits to rigging it if the footage gets broadcast Camelot are in a position where they can use the footage to prove Derren committed a crime in order to beat odds of 1 in 14 million. The footage is now probably 6 ft. deep underground somewhere in Hampton Wick
He is going to hold on to the footage until the end of the Events to f*** with anyone who says he’s not the biggest, most badass performer the world has ever seen. I don’t think this is a possibility however as it completely removed the drama of the moment and we were only asked to not say anything about how it was done to anyone until tonights show was broadcast
I’m an idiot
I’m not ruling 3 by any means, but I did speak to both Dave and Fran and my story checks out. We are ruling out mass hypnotism until Derren Browns special next week.

Looking at the aforementioned Brand Now piece from August:

Brown has described the first of the four specials as a stunt that “could be a career breaker.”

He said cryptically: “In the modern world of mass communication and big business, simple tricks can be developed to make even the most secure of systems vulnerable when you know where to push.”

One of these predictions has come to pass, seeing some of the haters on Twitter it looks like the other might too, I hope the open-top bus footage evetually sees the light of day. After so much hard work he deserves some credit, even though he could’ve committed mass fraud on a national scale it’s an incredibly beautiful thing.

Nice one Browner, it was mint.


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Postby Phenex » Sep 14th, '09, 17:00

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!! Wonderful. Absolutely wonderful. Totally wonderful. I hope this is true. If it is it means the whole show was set up beautifully to make us all think he was being rubbish. Even faking a shoddy split screen possibility to trap the youtubers. Lovely. God bless you Derren and your eight sets of slightly heavier balls.

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