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Having introduced two cameras, only one was used. I wonder if the distant camera will be the one taping the 'explanation' footage?

I have a theory that is nothing similar to what has already been suggested, but the camera shake thing with the big empty background, my video effects friend tells me is rather clever. Especially with the budget derrens got, and the quality of the camera work usually.

I've got it! He used a mirror glass!

a couple of screen shots to jog the memory...

I don't know the method but my money is on it being based on the restricted view. One camera being used but two in the studio. So as someone else mentioned, this will be used to show the bits you didn't see. Also, no audience. I can't see a good reason for this unless it was to limit the angles.

why on earth are you all trying to work out how he's done it?

and the amount of times we berate people who come on here asking for secrets and we get all shirty...

"it makes no sense..."

Ian has a point.

read the piece that accompnayed the photos..

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... riday.html



Almost all their information comes from..... US.

IAIN wrote:why on earth are you all trying to work out how he's done it?

and the amount of times we berate people who come on here asking for secrets and we get all shirty...

"it makes no sense..."

If magicians did not have an interest in methods then they would not be magicians.

Why has he got a clothes peg on?

jhmagic1 wrote:

pcwells wrote:The mention of the large distance between Derren and the stand has got my brain ticking about the possibility of a simple split screen effect. It's the kind of thing that allows actors to appear twice in a single frame. This can very easily be done live with the most basic of vision mixers.

Replacing the left-hand side of the frame with a prerecorded loop of the stand would give enough cover for the balls to be replaced after the results are announced.

Yes, camera tricks are cheating, but if he's genuinely going to explain how he did it, that's the kind of trick he'd expose.

Pete

For this im sure the camera needs to be completly still? The camera was always slightly moving!

Motion control dollies have been around for decades now. They record movement of the camera and then replicate that exact movement for subsequent takes.

It's how David Cronenberg managed to be so free with his cinematography in Dead Ringers while two Jeremy Ironsses were walking and chatting with each other - all with a mobile camera.

As I remember, the balls were never removed from the stand, meaning that they could have been glued in place, and simply stickered by the secret crewmember. That way, there'd be no perceptible shift when the camera switches between the loop and the live feed, as nothing has been physically moved.

Anyway, I see no harm in discussing this one - he's promised to reveal it tomorrow. Let's see if he actually does.

If he did use a camera trick, then it's a digital special effect we're talking about, and I see that as being very different to a bona-fide feat of magic or mentalism...

Just my thinks.

Pete

I'm more interested now in whether or not the Friday reveal will be any such thing, and the observation that the Metro, having sold the wrap around for the show yesterday, didn't give him any press coverage at all.

If the reveal is genuine, then he has to pull it off as something that won't disappoint. That will take a lot of showmanship, even for him.

I've abandoned thinking about the method because the technological possibilities for pulling this off are far too broad, and knowing it would be of no immediate benefit. As ever, I'm more interested in his presentation.

My telly went bang yesterday, so I've just seen it on 4OD. Yesterday, he and Nyman were tweeting about how nervous they were. I think they may have overdone that angle a little bit, but on the whole, a rather good.

I wonder how far Friday's explanation will be from the truth?

IAIN wrote:why on earth are you all trying to work out how he's done it?

and the amount of times we berate people who come on here asking for secrets and we get all shirty...

"it makes no sense..."

If Derren weren't promising to reveal all I'd agree but this particular event is clearly intended to spark discussion about the possible methods. The suggestions in the Daily Mail article range from the possible to the totally stupid - plenty of misirection and publicty!

Did anyone notice the gorrilla that appeared frame-left during the lottery draw?

Mandrake wrote:The suggestions in the Daily Mail article range from the possible to the totally stupid - plenty of misirection and publicty!

The Daily Mail rots your teeth and gives you brain damage. Everyone knows that.