Whats with the recent surge in Ghost Hunter like shows?

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Whats with the recent surge in Ghost Hunter like shows?

Postby Randy » Nov 22nd, '09, 01:55



Seriously there is like 2 on the Discovery Channel, one on the Sci Fi channel and another (which is a load of b*ll*cks.) on A&E.

Also I think there was a show called "UFO Hunters." Which doesn't make any sense, how do you actually "hunt" something that if at all real, just appears in the night sky? :lol:

Oh and Destination Truth is kind of a load as well, tho I suppose they continue it because they get to travel to neat places. (they did however once go after Elves in Sweden I think.. Yes, you read that right. Elves. As in pointy hat wearing Santa helpers. :lol: )

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Postby daleshrimpton » Nov 22nd, '09, 10:02

its low budget telly.several z list celebs in a dark room for 1 hour, with one hand held camera :)

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Postby pcwells » Nov 22nd, '09, 11:34

There's a whole channel on Sky dedicated to bargain-basement Most Haunted ripoffs. It's called the Paranormal Channel. And it's pants.

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Postby Replicant » Nov 22nd, '09, 15:14

Those shows are so ridiculous. I happen to believe in ghosts but I don't think these kind of shows tackle the subject seriously enough; in fact, they probably make people even more skeptical. I guess a serious study of the paranormal would not make for entertaining TV.

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Postby Craig Browning » Nov 22nd, '09, 16:16

:lol: I've always found it humorous how folks poo-poo something along this course. Not because they are cynics but because they didn't think of exploiting the public's fascination with something of strange ilk, first.

Since the earliest of times human beings have held a fascination and innate belief in the surreal. Some of it may be based on genuine encounters while most of it is based on both, tradition and ignorance. Not "ignorance" in the context of "stupidity" but rather innocence -- that naivety that allows one's imagination to flow with the core idea of "what if?"

Culturally however we have a cornucopia of elements to consider; everything form religious-based superstitions to cultural-based lore such as the act of honoring/remembering one's ancestors and even seeking to know their guidance, understanding omens and apparitions, etc. Very (very) few of us escaping these two primary veins of influence, the combination resulting in a "need" to connect to it and explore the unknown or, in certain instances, the taboo.

Shows of this sort are an echo of such things. Sadly (as has been hinted at in previous posts) it is likewise a form of B-rate "entertainment" that panders to the classic couch potato side of the populace; the same people that love to watch programs like COPS and think that Big Brother or Survivor are "reality"... :? in other words, one of the largest demographics when it comes to marketing and what can only be described to as those with "low" critical thinking skills as well as life ambition (to some degree). But likewise, its a demographic that is in love with the fantasy around such things.

I've been watching a few of these programs... :? let me rephrase that... I've been trying to watch a few of these programs (some of them are simply horrid) for the sake of research in that I'm in the final leg of creating some local tourist draws associated with the Paranormal... and yes, I'm exploiting those same demographics previously noted... just as many others (Mentalists and non-mentalists) are doing by offering Ghost Walks, Grave Yard Tours and even Ghost Watch/Investigations... there's even a couple of groups in the Southwestern U.S. doing UFO Watches/ Tours, etc. with patrons paying hundreds of dollars each to be a part of the "fun".

Magician's, as I've pointed out in the past, tend to be very myopic because of their cynicism and faux-morality when it comes to this sort of thing. As to why this is so... well, we'll not venture a guess. But when it comes to the reason for their knee jerk around this sort of programming and how it deliberately exploits those primitive elements noted above, there are but two key reasons; jealousy and arrogance.

Jealousy, based on what I stated in my opening paragraph; it's a golden goose ploy that got away from them.

Arrogance on the other hand, stems from the ego-centered theory that being a magician and pseudo-intellectual makes you too smart to "fall for that" let alone understand the public fascination and related commercial appeal. I know that sounds very jaded and even cruel, but sometimes we just can't help but get in our own way and prevent ourselves from admiring the forest because of all the trees that stand in the way... :wink:

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Postby Randy » Nov 22nd, '09, 22:23

Well you're going to laugh even more. A few weeks back when I couldn't sleep I decided to turn on A&E to see what this program "Paranormal State" or something was about. Oh dear god on earth. It was just silly. The one episode had the team of investigators put on a bunch of weird c*** (not the best) on their head ( I think it was something like the thing were you cut ping pong balls in half) and added a few other silly things, then proceeded to try to get people to take them seriously. It would be like putting a bucket on your head and then going "This is a very serious experiment.." :lol:

But that's not ALL they did. They also have it so literally every place they go to is haunted by a demon, and in one episode the head guy said that when they went to another house, That it was just a distraction by said demon, as a part of it's over all Master Plan. I am not kidding, I wish I was.. But I'm not. I remember sitting in my bed like "Oh come on! That's just way too cliched and silly. :lol: "

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Postby Matthius88 » Nov 23rd, '09, 00:57

You'd be surprised how many people watch these things seriously. An ex girlfriend of mine used to watch the Paranormal Channel and believe pretty much everything on it. Not to mention the hoards of people that watch it just to laugh at it. Plus like daleshrimpton said, its extremely low budget to make.

Lots of viewers + pocket change budget = television producer's wet dream.

Really used to make me cringe when the ex watched it though and talked about how "real" it all was. She would make a great spectator for magic tricks :P

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Postby Craig Browning » Nov 23rd, '09, 17:19

Here's one for you...

Create the story line (or exploit existing local lore) about a given place being "haunted".

Take a group of people to said site and place each one in a single room either by themselves or with one other person...

TURN OUT THE LIGHTS AND WAIT

With 15 minutes you will start noticing nervous whispers or chattering from each room and even the occasional squeal. Members of the group will swear up and down that they saw, felt or smelled something.

Though suggested on a slightly larger scale, I know of people that conduct private "seance" situations that are exactly this; client sat in a totally dark room, starring at a candle flame while thinking about their lost loved one. The kicker is, clients pay upward of $1,000.00 for this experience and most all leave praising the MENTALIST that allowed them to experience such a power sense of healing...

As I said before, some people have a "need" for this kind of stuff and as others have noted, it equates to big $$$ and lots of consumer support. Rationalists in general, making up less than 15% of the gross population on this globe; a segment of the world populace that simply won't allow themselves to work with both sides of their brain. I don't say this to be cutting but because its very true when it comes to people obsessed with logic-based thought such as we find in current vogue.

I bring this up because I have placed many such people into this same exactly atmosphere and watched them come out convinced they had an encounter of some sort with something that was unexplainable by them. Reading about something as theory and experiencing it are always two completely different things when it comes to how the data gets processed. :lol:

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Postby Robbie » Nov 23rd, '09, 23:37

Why there are so many of these shows can be summed up in two lines:
1. They're popular.
2. They're cheap to make.

The same can also be said of game shows and talent shows.

The Paranormal Channel does put on some really good bad movies.

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Postby Mandrake » Nov 24th, '09, 09:49

Not wishing to sidetrack the thread (as if I'd do such a thing!) but what's with all these 'new age' Vampire films and TV shows? In the good old days it was Christopher Lee biting the necks of various nubile British and Scandinavian film starlets before being 'orribly finished off by the usual bit of wood through the heart, only to be back as good/bad as ever in the next film in the Hammer Studios series. Now it's all teenagers, synthetic blood (probably low salt, sugar and fat free but with added Omega 3) so they're now nice guys and gals, plenty of angst and attitude :? .

Bring back Sir Chris as Big D with Michael Ripper as the ever scared tavern owner, the apparently endless supply of trembling Virgins with irresistible jugulars (I think that's the right word), Maddie Smith, Jutta Stensgard, Ingrid Pitt and all the rest as the 'converted' :twisted: !! They just don't make 'em like they used to....
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Postby pcwells » Nov 24th, '09, 10:21

I agree. I think The Lost Boys had a lot to answer for (besides being a pants movie).

There's been a long-running drive to modernise vampires. Sometimes they work well, and other times, they're poo.

Near Dark was a tremendous modern vampire flick, for example.

And Buffy and Angel were first-rate telly.

And I can see the thinking behind Twilight and the like, as vampires have always had a sexy side. Problem is, they've always also been extremely dangerous, and it's that danger that seems to have been forgotten about.

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Postby Replicant » Nov 24th, '09, 10:42

I would be inclined to agree with Mandrake. However, I do like the Underworld films. Nothing to do with Kate Beckinsale in that outfit, though.

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Postby Beardy » Nov 24th, '09, 10:55

I liked 30 days of night...best vampires ever, that I personally have seen on a tv screen!

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Postby Infinite » Nov 24th, '09, 22:52

Really?

Craig you didn't offer the context of all myth and lore gets updated with the social anxieties of the time?

Vampires are now sexy because the lore behind them is no longer scary. People no longer ride or walk for miles alone or with very few people.

They also no longer fear people in castles that have more power than they can imagine.

So now vampires are people we know they are just like us but they are predators that revolve around our sexual nature.

Ultimately people started to relate to vampires thus vampires had to be more relatable.

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Postby Ted » Nov 25th, '09, 00:04

Vampires have always been sexy, or rather sexual. But not in a way that you might imagine. There has always been a homo-erotic element to post-Stoker powerful vampires.

Here's a quick example, which you can apply to most vampire movies, be they ones displaying the talents of Bella Lugosi or some young thing from today's telly/cinema screen: male vampires always *want* to bite men but end up biting women. And the reaction of the women is always 'orgasmic'. I expect there are exceptions to the rule, but I hope you get the point. It's a frustrated desire thing. Now, let's talk about football or beer or something...

If you want to read up on this, you could do worse than Vampyres: Lord Byron to Count Dracula, Christopher Frayling {ISBN: 0-571-16792-6}.

If you can believe it, a large part of my university degree was spent studying vampires*.

* In literature.

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