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Beardy wrote:Think logically...

if you want to have a lottery ticket that isnt swamied on, how could you do it?

pre-show...

a stamp...

hypnosis...

stooge...

instant stooge... (personal favourite...don't underestimate the power of instant stooging...)

billet index... (give it some though here...i dont mean 49 million indexes...)

a force...

a psychological force...

There. That is eight potential methods, most of which are simple to do. Don't overcomplicate things!

A laptop and a printer with tracing paper would do.

Pre-show won't work. I need randomly selected people.

Stamps are a possible idea, but it could not be inspected and they are fiddly.

Hypnosis is out because of the fact I would be on stage performing this.

I refuse to use any kind of stooge or instant stooge.

Billet indexing... hmmm... maybe if I can work on the probability factors that may be an option. I currently use an index system with over 200 predictions in five wallets, I can use these to great extent if I can get the probability down somehow.

A force... thats a bit vague. And I refuse to use strange looking "mathematical" forces, to easy to expose.

A psychological force is never 100% effective.

Another thing about David Blaine is that he doesn't use complicated methods. I know for fact that 90% of everything he does, has a very simple and direct method. Otherwise he wouldn't do it.

tom - so you know, when you act like this on a forum, people will not help you, and they will think you are acting this way to wind people up...

name me one successful mentalist who has advised anyone to complicate a method?

note, i say complicate, not use several layers to disguise the method...massive difference...

Tom, can you expand and why you refuse to use Stooges ? Whats your Ethos on the subject ?

Randy wrote:Another thing about David Blaine is that he doesn't use complicated methods. I know for fact that 90% of everything he does, has a very simple and direct method. Otherwise he wouldn't do it.

The simplest way is to stooge it. But I don't care if he did or not, I want to make or find a way of doing it on stage, with randomly selected people.

Whats your Ethos on the subject ?

A good friend of mine once complained that Copperfield uses too many stooges, and its obvious. I agree'd; and I've never wanted to use stooges since.

I think stooging is just the easy way out, and less entertaining. I am proud that I have never used a stooge.

*sigh*

I'm not telling you the method...I am saying that there are soooo many different methods!

And if you arent happy...dont do this effect! This wouldnt pan out on a stage show?

THINK eshley, please!

It's on Osterlinds Mind Mysteries DVD. He most likely uses a very simply method and if it works for him, it should easily work for you. Hell, he's made a career out of it and has been doing this longer than you have been a twinkle in your dads eye.

Derren used a stooge...more than once...you just havnt realised it

The point is that using a stooge isnt wrong...using a stooge BADLY is wrong...thats the point

You yourself said it with copperfield - "it is obvious" - then why not make it un-obvious?

As i said...mr derren brown has used a stooge on more than one occasion, and he is possibly one of the most - if not the most - successful magicians out there

Eshly wrote:Hypnosis is out because of the fact I would be on stage performing this.

Which opens even more possibilities

And makes Blaine's version useless. You might as well print a blur on there.

Hold on, that's one more method...

Eshly wrote:Pre-show won't work. I need randomly selected people.

Hypnosis is out because of the fact I would be on stage performing this.

with those two comments, it proves that you don't know how these elements of mentalism work...nor how to randomly select people...

Pre-show hypnosis would actually be really good.

kolm wrote:

Eshly wrote:Hypnosis is out because of the fact I would be on stage performing this.

Which opens even more possibilities

And makes Blaine's version useless. You might as well print a blur on there.

Hold on, that's one more method...

haha...I sh1t you not...the finale in the last 2 cabaret shows I did actually used this method...

No lie!

Though for a different effect of course

kolm wrote:

Eshly wrote:Hypnosis is out because of the fact I would be on stage performing this.

Which opens even more possibilities

And makes Blaine's version useless. You might as well print a blur on there.

Hold on, that's one more method...

Camera's. And I have people on stage inspecting everything (Robert Harbin I love you).

I don't use stooges MOSTLY because of a matter of pride. In my opinion the greatest Mentalism show ever was An Evening of Wonders, and not a single stooge is used in it. This is something I aspire to do.

I don't blame you if you do use stooges, but its a personal choice.

Tom
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Actually Derren did use Stooges, he was just really crafty about it.

Randy wrote:Actually Derren did use Stooges, he was just really crafty about it.

Where exactly?

All of his tricks can be done without stooges.