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by **phillipnorthfield** » Feb 19th, '10, 13:46

The method is the most exciting bit, you see an amazing effect on the market, spend ages thinking that is amazing, how the hell!!, buying it AFTER thinking how you could make it work for you, and then realizing the secret is so simple you feel like a layman again, it's a wonderful experience! Don't waste it by just collecting effects that you can pass of as "Yes I can do that one... next" It just doesn't work.

by **IAIN** » Feb 19th, '10, 14:20

i think its not the method or even the presentation...its all about building a legend/mystique around yourself...the true beglas effect has slipped into the mentalist's legendary status - not because its just a 1 in 52 odds...

but because its david berglas doing it...his charm, his delivery, his persona...thats what makes it exciting...

even now, when he enters the room, the atmosphere crackles...cos its david berglas...

by **Randy** » Feb 19th, '10, 20:09

A pass, a Diagonal Palm shift, a second deal and a Bottom deal. Then you do a middle deal and a side steal.

by **Mr_Grue** » Feb 19th, '10, 20:29

All in the spectator's hands. :twisted:

by **JakeThePerformer** » Feb 20th, '10, 00:14

IAIN wrote:
but because its david berglas doing it...his charm, his delivery, his persona...thats what makes it exciting...

That's why it's called the Berglas Effect. Any person who has seen him perform the effect will tell you this.

by **IAIN** » Feb 20th, '10, 00:38

Randy wrote:A pass, a Diagonal Palm shift, a second deal and a Bottom deal. Then you do a middle deal and a side steal.

if you think its that...thats faaaaaaaaaaaaar too much work involved...

by **cymru1991** » Feb 20th, '10, 04:01

Mr_Grue wrote:All in the spectator's hands.

Blindfolded and wearing gloves :twisted:

by **Shufton** » Feb 20th, '10, 09:18

jim ferguson wrote:
magiccmb wrote:well actually both i guess
At least youre honest.
Obviously we cant tell you how an effect is done, or condone exposure on you tube. It is both unethical and against forum rules. There are many ACAAN effects available, some are not strictly ANY card at ANY number though. There are quite a few effects of this genre reviewed on here, The Grail and Crossroads come to mind
jim

Jim- Thanks for mentioning CrossRoads!

by **spooneythegoon** » Feb 22nd, '10, 19:15

magiccmb wrote:
The Berglas Effect is David Berglas performing ACAAN. This is at least what people who have seen it say. Anyone else doing it just isn't the same.

As for asking for where you can find a strong ACAAN explained for free online, I won't assist you in this, nor do I expect anyone else on this forum to.

Your reasons for wanting it seem unclear. When you say a cheap one, how cheap are we talking? Because The Mind and Magic of David Berglas isn't exactly what I'd call cheap.

people are angry when tricks are revealed but if there available online revealed for free why should it be kept from others if you or others know of them it seems unfair of anyone to keep information thats in public sites undisclosed.
it seems alot of versions using a normal deck may use either simple methods or the other end of the spectrum completlely mind numbing processes.
in which case i dont want too waste money on something if its too confusing or so simple it really isnt worth 50, 60. or even more pounds to buy ive read books.looked on websites and more ive been at it for on and off for four years and dont see the light why should a trick so good be kept so secret people at the end of the day know its a trick they just want too know how . and when i first came accros the acaan effect i wanted to know so i could amaze and be that good but it seems fruitless i must pay for the secret for which there so many methods.
ive been disapointed so many times to how simple a secret is or how bad it is people cant afford to buy these things when there is hundreds of versions some costing considerable ammounts
i dont excpect the secret to the routines to be dolopped left right and center but after studing the subject so long a good method seems bleak to decide on.whats the best method is it simple if so is it worth what you pay.

haven't read a lot of this thread, Ive just come back from holiday, and this post made me rather angry. Its the reason the trick is so good that it should be kept so secret. If you are disappointed by the simple methods, then why not just enjoy watching magic. Performing isn't for everyone. Magicians cannot see the magic. We only see secret moves and deception. So, unless you get enjoyment out of performing magic that greatly outweighs the thrill of seeing miracles, then don't bother. Please, if you really want to "amaze and be good", then pay. But first, get the basics. The most amazing trick, performed by a magician who doesn't know the basics of his art will not be entertaining at all. Buy something like Mark Wilson's complete course in magic, and start there. It is stupendously cheap, and you will eventually be able to perform any effect you wish! I am sorry if you are a seasoned magician, I could easily have got the wrong end of the stick. But if not, please listen, you will become a much better magician if you start slow, instead of chasing the latest tricks.

by **JakeThePerformer** » Feb 23rd, '10, 00:27

Magiccmb,

I understand your frustration over money. It may seem to you to be greed, and in some cases it may be, but it is really just the way things work.

If all of magic was free, nearly everybody would know it. There goes all of the audiences. There goes magic.

As for this disappointment you seem to have in the simplicity of methods;
Most all methods are simple. When we see effects we assume they must have a wonderfully amazing method behind them, this is just the illusion. This is why magic is so much more amazing when you don't know how it's done. Because the answer is simple and boring.

So don't look at purchasing it for an amazing method, look at purchasing it for the effect it assists you in giving the audience. It is all about what they see and how it entertains them.

May you find enjoyment in either the performing of magic, or in being an audience to it,

-Ben

by **GioNova** » Feb 24th, '10, 06:50

cymru1991 wrote:
Mr_Grue wrote:All in the spectator's hands.
Blindfolded and wearing gloves

Using a mini tiger deck :twisted:

by **Klangster1971** » Feb 24th, '10, 09:10

GioNova wrote:
cymru1991 wrote:
Mr_Grue wrote:All in the spectator's hands.
Blindfolded and wearing gloves

Using a mini tiger deck

Using an Omni deck would be more impressive :twisted:

by **SamGurney** » Feb 24th, '10, 18:03

As for this disappointment you seem to have in the simplicity of methods;
Most all methods are simple. When we see effects we assume they must have a wonderfully amazing method behind them, this is just the illusion. This is why magic is so much more amazing when you don't know how it's done. Because the answer is simple and boring.

Great magician's aren't dissapointed at the method- they are great actors and they are experiencing the effect through the audience's eyes; that's why great magicians always retain a love of magic. Sometimes it seems like some people are searching for real magic- but that doesn't exist outside of the audiences perception.

by **daleshrimpton** » Feb 24th, '10, 18:08

more discussion on this here....

http://www.talkmagic.co.uk/sutra346152.php#346152

Do we need 2 threads?

by **Mandrake** » Feb 24th, '10, 19:07

daleshrimpton wrote:Do we need 2 threads?

No, but sadly we can't combine the two...

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