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Can I first point out that I have never heard of a famous British Psychic since Uri Geller. I did some metal bending last night, and it was incredibly popular; afterwards I fained a headache and said that it took a lot of concentration to perform something like that, even though it wasn't psychic.

So long as you claim to not be psychic, people will believe you. People, generally speaking, will not believe you are psychic. The reason for this is simple, a real psychic would tell you what number you are thinking of BEFORE you said it; he would not need to use a s***i or any other device, nor would he need to have questions written down in a Q&A for example (though this can be avoided).

Life as a psychic is much harder than as a skeptic, as there are a hundred pitfalls you must avoid. I honestly think I am right on this, as even Corinda says this in 13 steps.

Yes, there will always be a cult/group following for psychics, but I do not want to appeal to the gullible groups; I want an intelligent audiance - atleast relatively speaking. I have used my Mentalism skills, unprofessional as they were, at Mensa meetings, where some of the brightest minds in the country meet, and by the end they all loved my ability to spot lies in the human subconcious. Had I told them I was psychic I would have been heckled and laughed at.



Perhaps I just don't have the personality for the psychic. But anyway... this thread is getting off-topic.

The point is, we need to protect Mentalism. Not because we cannot invent new principles, but because if people realise it is not 'psychological', then it will ruin the livelihoods, presentations, patter and even the ETHICS of good performers everywhere.


I am not refering to myself here. I will not have a proper carrier in Mentalism for years yet, by the time I am a professional these programs will be half a decade old, and forgotton; but I still wish there to be some wonder in the world.



I find it hard to believe anyone here could disagree with me there.

Eshly wrote: but I do not want to appeal to the gullible groups; I want an intelligent audiance

Careful, Eshly!!!!! Are you really in a position to call people who beleive in psychic abilies gullible??? What makes you think that these things aren't possible, have you ever invistigated these things and do you even know anything about them?

Becareful when you start to dismiss people's personal belief systems with little or no understanding of them.

For my dissertation for university (I'm doing a psychology degree), one of the things I investigated was the level of belief in the paranormal. I found that a large proportion of my sample (of 115 people) had at least a medium level of belief in the paranormal (an open mindedness if you will).

The Paranormal Belief Scale used focused mostly on psychic abilities and beliefs.

So there is indeed a high proportion of people who if not full believers are at least open minded.

since when has Uri been British?!

the real world contains people of all different kinds of beliefs, some wacky, some respectable, both of which change from wacky to respectable depending on how you personally see the world...

up and down depends on your point of view young padawan...

You cant stop evolution , nothing remains the same and things move on in all aspects of life. theres nothing that can be done although i doubt if this Tv show mentioned at the begining will have much impact . TV audiences arent the same as they were in 1975 anyhow.

In time i think mentalism will move in a more scientific direction.

I noticed this week in a published journal that in studies of people given 5 numbers to choose from on a screen the tester estimated 100% of the time what number the person chose by looking at pupil dilation when the chosen number was on the screen

Im not sure if one can gauge pupil dilation with the naked eye but still..food for thought eh,

Also in another report i see that the skin can be used as a touch screen when wired up to a wrist projector. You could dial a number just by tapping the back of your hand

Eshly, I really think you have stopped listening. Obviously you have a picture in your head, not grounded in actual data and you are set to defend your position rather than learn from those who are more experienced and knowledgable then you are.

Personally I come to this board to gain information and hopefully be as helpful as I can in return. There are people on this board who are hugely successful and incredibly knowledgable. This really is a great resource once you wade through the krap. I suggest you go back (with an open mind) re-read and try to understand what people are say.

With that said, go out have some fun with magic (by whatever name) and I wish you all the success in the world.

Appologise, I did not mean to offend those who do believe in Psyhic ability.
As you may tell subtly is not my strong point.



I beg that we do NOT discuss this again, because if we do I will feel a great urge to bring up statistics and surveys corrolating believe with intelligence and so on; and things do get ugly when such debates crop up.


I never meant to offend anyone; all I meant is that I don't think the psychic industry is for me


Tom
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It's ok Eshly just be very careful what you imply when it comes to belief systems. Some people take these things very very seriously. Everyone has a right to believe in what they want as long as they don't start preaching and forcing their veiws down other people's throats. And to be honest there is no proof which can say for certain that these things do or don't exist, either way.

Eshly wrote:I find it hard to believe anyone here could disagree with me there.

As is the downfall of the ignorant.

Still waiting on your videos "Tom"

Lawrence wrote:
Still waiting on your videos "Tom"

Am I missing something here?

spooneythegoon wrote:

Lawrence wrote:
Still waiting on your videos "Tom"

Am I missing something here?

I have requested video evidence of Elshy's performing

Lawrence wrote: "Tom"

Thats the bit that confused me.

spooneythegoon wrote:

Lawrence wrote: "Tom"

Thats the bit that confused me.

Ah right. I don't think he's called Tom.
Assumption is he is some other forum member having a laugh.

Then again, Kras turned out to be real so you never know!

Lawrence wrote:

spooneythegoon wrote:

Lawrence wrote: "Tom"

Thats the bit that confused me.

Ah right. I don't think he's called Tom.
Assumption is he is some other forum member having a laugh.

Then again, Kras turned out to be real so you never know!

Now I get it! But, I do think that he's probably real.

So far off topic it's almost beyond belief.........