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Postby Wishmaster » Jun 25th, '10, 14:03



Hello all,

I feel like I'm at a point where I need more than books and DVD's to help me learn - in a practical sense and with self confidence. As others have mentioned in the past and from personal experience, family and friends aren't the best to practice on for various reasons.

Bradford Magic Circle is not too far from where I live, but I just found reference to a magic circle in Halifax (West Yorks) which is where I live. The trouble is, their website is dead. I'd be interested in knowing more about where and when they meet, membership criteria, costs, size etc. Can anyone help please?

The thing that really puts me off is the thought of performing in order to gain membership. One of the main reasons I'm interested is to learn how to perform. So, I'm not sure at this stage I'd even get as far as applying. :?

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Postby bananafish » Jun 25th, '10, 14:07

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Postby Wishmaster » Jun 25th, '10, 14:23

Replied :)

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Postby Mark Waddington » Jun 25th, '10, 23:18

Go for Bradford pal - I'm the BMC publicity Officer. Its a great club, very friendly, and we have some fantastic lectures lined up. I can always introduce you to the club on one of our meetings, and put you in touch with our secretary.

Let me know if you want more info on BMC

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Postby deano0010 » Jun 26th, '10, 06:41

Hi there,
July 2nd get yourself down there.Paul gordon is lecturing,he will be presenting his NEW lecture.Ive seen paul lecture a few times and was never dissapointed.

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Postby SamGurney » Jun 26th, '10, 10:05

Ok, so just my experience with these things.. It seems like you know at the very least the basics, but you don't have the confidence to go out and perform.. Would I be right in saying that? Well, presuming I am, the best thing I could reccomend is to just go out there and do it- do it to work mates, hell even friends and family (Beggars can't be choosers) and soon they learn about your hobby. (No Innuendo.. that's just wrong) As long as you have enough personality that you don't become 'the magic guy' or whatever, you'll still get asked to perform by friends or friends of friends who have been told about you and so on and you build up confidence reciprocally: ie- the more you perform, the better you'll get, the more you get asked to perform e.t.c.
However, I can understand that there is a wall before you go out and perform- where maybe you intend to perform but you are too nervous to, or lack confidence. I don't know about anyone else, but I'd be lying if I said this didn't happen to me either when I'm trying out new material, or just not in the mood to be the friendly performing jester. There are a few ways you can overcome this- namley, rehearsing your material really really really well so that you don't have to think about it: if you don't you run the risk of being able to just about do the sleight or whatever when nobody is watching, but when all attention is on you, your fingers freeze up. The second way is to just get on and do it, be positive about it, think it will go well, maybe even have a chat with whoever you'll perform to so that it isn't so intense when you start performing. The last thing you're family and friends want is the normal you to somehow vanish to be replaced by a shivering, monotonous little girl. By performing in a casual setting, the effect does not always have 100% of the attention, which is good misdirection when you're learning to do sleights in front of real people- although once youre more confident with this, you want to be able to direct attention, and whilst keeping it not too formal and intense, keep control of the group and spectator- which can't always happen if the atmosphere is too casual.
So... the reason I am saying all this, is mainly because I talk too much, but also because I know that buying more dvds and books won't help you become a better performer. Performing will. Even the greats still perform stuff which can be found in the most basic of magic books, and certainly many have and still do make careers just from the basic books. By all means, educate yourself- that is not at all what I am trying to dissuade you from doing- but don't postpone actually performing with the faulty belief that studying will make you somehow learn to perform. It is like trying to learn how to play tennis from a book.
Finally, don't worry. Nothing is ever too serious. You will drop cards, fail completley at sleights, get rubbish responses, have really horrible spectators, be boring, yes- even expose the method a few times (I am sure we have all done it :roll: )... but if you can't pay that price, you won't ever get better- and when you do, the reward is well well worth it.

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Postby Wishmaster » Jun 28th, '10, 08:00

Thank you for the replies. :)

I'd really like to visit a meeting or similar of a magic circle, but just assumed it would be too secretive to let non-members in. Is that not the case? It would be useful to get an idea of what goes on before going through the trauma of having to perform in order to gain entry as a member - It still seems like this is putting the cart before the horse.

Sam, yes you're right. Performing something in front of strangers is not a natural thing to do and I just wouldn't know where to start. It's like I said - without knowing anyone who does this, it's hard to progress past the hobbiest stage and think seriously about something more. As has been discussed here before, family and to some extent friends are terrible audiences and specs and certainly don't help improve confidence.

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Postby Mark Waddington » Jun 28th, '10, 17:29

At BMC we have nights open to the public (e.g. member shows) we have lectures open to visiting Magicians (for a small fee) and we have nights just for members. Check out the website, www.bradfordmagiccircle.co.uk and visit the diary to see which nights are open. You can see what you think of the society and then decide if you would like more info, and can talk to the committee about the audition process.


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Postby Wishmaster » Jun 28th, '10, 19:34

Mark Waddington wrote:At BMC we have nights open to the public (e.g. member shows) we have lectures open to visiting Magicians (for a small fee) and we have nights just for members. Check out the website, www.bradfordmagiccircle.co.uk and visit the diary to see which nights are open. You can see what you think of the society and then decide if you would like more info, and can talk to the committee about the audition process.

Thanks Mark.

Is the Paul Gordon lecture open? It says "Non-Members £7", so can I come to that?

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Postby Mark Waddington » Jun 28th, '10, 19:42

Yes, its open, just pay on the door. I wont be able to make that meeting unfortunately as I am away gigging in Lincolnshire - I hope you enjoy it though!!!

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Postby Wishmaster » Jun 28th, '10, 19:44

Mark Waddington wrote:Yes, its open, just pay on the door. I wont be able to make that meeting unfortunately as I am away gigging in Lincolnshire - I hope you enjoy it though!!!

Fab. I'll try and get a pass out from "her who shall not be named" then. I'm going to take my book from Paul too in the hope he'll sign it for me.

Pity you won't be there, it would be nice to say hello in person :D

PS Is there a dress code?

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Postby bmat » Jun 28th, '10, 20:39

I've belonged to a few magic clubs in my time. Usually the performance requirement is very hmm, lets just say, very lienient, otherwise they would have no members. Pull out the old svengali deck, want to give 'em a thrill? try a simple coins across. Most of the ones I've belonged too required 3 tricks and I've never seen anyone denied entrance. Montreal Quebec Canada's SAM ring is a real bitch however. Can't tell you why but you are never quite the same afterwards. Vancouver Canada's IBM is okay, once you get passed the secret ceremony which involves two lama's and a wolverine. Yeah go ahead you just try to vanish them.

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Postby Wishmaster » Jun 29th, '10, 13:16

I am definitely going to Paul's lecture on Friday woohoo! I'm a magic circle/magic lecture virgin, so am very excited. Can you tell?! :D

In relation to progressing in magic...I watch a pro on stage or performing for a more intimate group of people and would love to be able to do exactly that - perform. Not in the way they do, but to find my own style and method. Street magic doesn't do anything for me and being a parent has put me off ever wanting to be a kids performer. I don't mean that in a bad way though. Kids are just too scary in large groups! :wink:

Despite the fact that I love card magic, or anything close-up. What really gets my pulse racing is anything relating to mentalism with a bizarre twist - something along the lines of a seance, spirits, ghosts, the occult, things with a darker aspect, the mysterious. Some of the Outlaw, Black Hart and Raven effects, for exampe. Those are the sorts of things I ultimately want to build a complete routine around.

I have ideas about things I'd like to do and how, but no experience, knowledge or confidence when it comes to the transition from being an amateur hobbyist to something more. In some ways, I wish I'd been born in the Victorian age, if that makes sense. I know it's an overly romantic notion and probably wasn't as I imagine, but that portrayal of the performer and aura of mystery is hard to ignore. If I'm just kidding myself, that's ok too. It's nice to dream about such things. I just know I've gotten to the point where I want to take this further in some way.

bmat wrote:I've belonged to a few magic clubs in my time. Usually the performance requirement is very hmm, lets just say, very lienient, otherwise they would have no members. Pull out the old svengali deck, want to give 'em a thrill? try a simple coins across. Most of the ones I've belonged too required 3 tricks and I've never seen anyone denied entrance. Montreal Quebec Canada's SAM ring is a real bitch however. Can't tell you why but you are never quite the same afterwards. Vancouver Canada's IBM is okay, once you get passed the secret ceremony which involves two lama's and a wolverine. Yeah go ahead you just try to vanish them.

Thanks bmat, that's reassuring. If/When I do go through with it, I was kind of hoping they wouldn't expect anything to pro standards. They'd be very disappointed hehe!! :D

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Postby Wishmaster » Jun 29th, '10, 21:20

Small world! I've just been having a nosey at the pics on the Bradford Magic Circle website and it turns out I work with the wife of one of the members!! Wait till I see her tomorrow :D

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Postby bmat » Jun 30th, '10, 02:42

Forget mentalism, go for the bizarre magic. Lots more fun although hard to get work, and you will find you spend more time thinking about it than doing it, just one of those things.

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