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rikgrimsby wrote:

phillipnorthfield wrote:http://derrenbrown.co.uk/devilspicturebook/store.php

I'm not telling you the answer mind you :p

That wasn't what I meant by 'Digging yourself a hole'.

I'm sure you'll find out.

found it ordered it

thanks for that

hands up those who believe him!

Though this does raise the question, is it OK to download something you already own?

I'm going to stick my neck out on the line here and say Yes. Why not, it's bloody annoying if you have something on your iPod/iTunes but can't watch it on your TV for whatever reason. As far as I'm concerned, I own it, I should be able to do whatever I wan't with it.

Probably not legal though

LOL, I hope he brought 2!

Nobody has bid on the £200 copy of DPB - I'm not surprised by this.

Although must say, I have it on VHS from ages ago - It's very good, especially the 'mental' half.

Lawrence wrote:
Though this does raise the question, is it OK to download something you already own?

Yeah and no. Yes, because you own the rights to view it. Similarly, it's perfectly acceptable in law (I believe) to make a backup copy etc. for your own use... ie exactly that, a BACK UP... not something to lend to a mate or club etc.

That said, just because it may be legal, doesn't mean you should do it. You'd essentially be supporting the use of illegal download systems, be they filehosters such as rapidshare or torrents*


* - Before some smartarse points out that technically the likes of rapidshare and indeed torrents are not illegal in themselves, rather the end users use of them is illegal... I know.

Lawrence wrote:

rikgrimsby wrote:

phillipnorthfield wrote:http://derrenbrown.co.uk/devilspicturebook/store.php

I'm not telling you the answer mind you :p

That wasn't what I meant by 'Digging yourself a hole'.

I'm sure you'll find out.

found it ordered it

thanks for that

hands up those who believe him!

Though this does raise the question, is it OK to download something you already own?

If he doesn't buy it he'll miss out on the hidden content printed on the inside of the DVD box sleeve.

As for downloading stuff you own, it's illegal because you don't own the copyright, just the media on which the book/music/DVD is stored. You can be prosecuted for it so, whether or not one thinks there's a justification for it, it involves a risk.

Yeah, but they'll never take me alive

just to say i have got it comming paid by paypal. the reason is its not a very good copy that i got. it was something like tudo or something like that. thunk its like a janpan youtube but had to get in 3 parts. id much rather have it on dvd tho. the dvd was £45 with postage.

I am sure you will enjoy it. It says somewhere on the reviews for the disc that you could base a solid career around the effects and that's no exaggeration. There's some fantastic stuff on there.

Don't forget you'll need to grow a little goatee first though.

Van_der_Belt wrote:Before some smartarse points out that technically the likes of rapidshare and indeed torrents are not illegal in themselves, rather the end users use of them is illegal... I know.

Sorry, I'm gonna have to be the smartarse here. Bittorrent is an extremely useful technology used in various different ways. One of them just happens to be downloading copyrighted stuff, but that's just because it's such a useful method of sharing/downloading data

The fact you dislike people downloading stuff from bittorrent is fine, I respect that you're against it, it's just that that kind of viewpoint makes it difficult to convince right owners that bittorrent can solve a lot of problems (in my opinion)

rikgrimsby wrote:just to say i have got it comming paid by paypal. the reason is its not a very good copy that i got.

So it's OK to steal if the quality of the copy is good? I hope you are just on the wind-up *

*That is the first time I've ever used this emoticon on TM.

no not at all !! i really wanted it and couldnt find it so i downloaded it, but now ive got it comming in dvd. i didnt use a torrent just a streaming

Ted wrote: *

*That is the first time I've ever used this emoticon on TM.

Really? I use that one almost twice daily

rikgrimsby wrote:no not at all !! i really wanted it and couldnt find it so i downloaded it, but now ive got it comming in dvd. i didnt use a torrent just a streaming

Let's forget for a moment that you've now bought the DVD. I have no reason to doubt you, other than your obviously poor moral compass.

You say you could not find a legitimate copy. Do you honestly think that your failure to find this means that it is acceptable to download an illegal copy?

You wanted something and stole it because that was the easiest option. That, I am afraid to say, is despicable.

Let's pretend I didn't tell you that the DVD was available legitimately. Let's pretend that it was no longer available at all because all new copies had been sold and the only option was to buy a ridiculously-overpriced second-hand copy on eBay. Just because you *want* it does not make it OK to obtain it by any means. Believe it or not, the right option is to do without it.

That's me finished on the subject. Sorry to everyone else for stating the bleeding obvious.

Ted wrote:

rikgrimsby wrote:no not at all !! i really wanted it and couldnt find it so i downloaded it, but now ive got it comming in dvd. i didnt use a torrent just a streaming

Let's forget for a moment that you've now bought the DVD. I have no reason to doubt you, other than your obviously poor moral compass.

You say you could not find a legitimate copy. Do you honestly think that your failure to find this means that it is acceptable to download an illegal copy?

You wanted something and stole it because that was the easiest option. That, I am afraid to say, is despicable.

Let's pretend I didn't tell you that the DVD was available legitimately. Let's pretend that it was no longer available at all because all new copies had been sold and the only option was to buy a ridiculously-overpriced second-hand copy on eBay. Just because you *want* it does not make it OK to obtain it by any means. Believe it or not, the right option is to do without it.

That's me finished on the subject. Sorry to everyone else for stating the bleeding obvious.

....Aaaaand, theres the hole being filled in. Bye bye.

kolm wrote:

Van_der_Belt wrote:Before some smartarse points out that technically the likes of rapidshare and indeed torrents are not illegal in themselves, rather the end users use of them is illegal... I know.

Sorry, I'm gonna have to be the smartarse here. Bittorrent is an extremely useful technology used in various different ways. One of them just happens to be downloading copyrighted stuff, but that's just because it's such a useful method of sharing/downloading data

The fact you dislike people downloading stuff from bittorrent is fine, I respect that you're against it, it's just that that kind of viewpoint makes it difficult to convince right owners that bittorrent can solve a lot of problems (in my opinion)

Slight misunderstanding. I'm not against torrents as a technology, I can see great uses for it besides its most common, illegal usage.
What I meant, is that by downloading and seeding illegal downloads you encourage their further download. If I searched for an illegal torrent and found only 'dead' ones with no seeders each time I tried then I'd be discouraged from doing so in the future. The more success I had would maintain my belief that this was a worthwhile thing to do.

It seems to me that torrents etc are an exponentially self-evolving beasty. The more people who share illegally via torrents makes future downloaders more 'successful' which in turn makes yet more future downloaders 'sucessful' and so on and so on.