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Arkesus wrote:I say again, I am not accusing him of being racist, simply perpetuating a stereotype. Had he chosen an old white guy in a string vest and a hankerchief tied on his head at the four corners, I would have been equally as annoyed.

Could he have dressed as anyone except himself then? Even then, you could argue that he was dressing and acting exactly as a male his age would be expected to dress and act, ergo he's perpetuating a stereotype and therefore out of order.

A stereotype is not the same as a prejudice and should not be treated as such.

In my opinion the choice of disguise was merely an attempt to make the reveal more hard-hitting. Whether or not it worked is for you to decide. If he did select a style of dress or certain accessory that you consider stereotypical, perhaps it was merely to try and carry off the disguise more effectively as he is aware that thinking in stereotypes is heuristics, and we all employ them, otherwise we'd never get through the day.

I think Chris had put a lot of thought into this routine. The name 'Leroy' must have taken ages to think of....

Is it just me who really, really enjoyed Chris Dugdale's routine? I was there live and throroughly enjoyed it!

Mr_Grue wrote:Arkesus, you are making the conjecture that Chris chose a black-skinned mask because the mask would require wearing sunglasses. I think this is the thing people seem to be having difficulty with.

Fair point Grue. As I mentioned in a previous post, and as Madelon Hoedt points out on this page, in order to be able to do the reveal at the end, the mask could not be properly attached to Chris' face. Much like this person being transformed into an Orc for a Lord of the Rings convention. http://www.unrealfx.nl/ringcon.html
A slip on easy to remove mask on the other hand, is not attached to the face, and so the area around the eyes is the biggest visual clue that the face is not real.

or like this


He had to go with the second type because he needed to remove it in a hurry. He could not use the first type because in order to safely remove the mask involves around an hour with a competent make up artist. Without the sunglasses, the mask would have been very very obvious.

Arkesus wrote:my aversion to the perpetuation of the stereotype began a good seven or so minutes before I found out it was actually Chris Dugdale.

So before you knew it was a disguise you were miffed at a black man for wearing sunglasses indoors, not because it made him look a tit, but because you felt he was perpetuating a racial stereotype?
I didn't even know wearing sunglasses indoors was a racial stereotype.

Erwin wrote:I didn't even know wearing sunglasses indoors was a racial stereotype.

I'm not here to start discussions on what things constitute racial stereotypes or not, those topics are subjective at times. I congratulate you on managing to avoid being introduced to certain ones, I wish I was as fortunate as you.

There were several other performers in that show so can we please move on from the focus on Chris and one part of his routine?

Couldn't agree more Mandrake. It seems that no internet forum anywhere cannot ultimately be reduced to petty squabbling and cheap snipes.

Sorry if that offends anyone but that's how I see it.

So...was Shawn's effect from Extractor Gold or what? Anyone know?

Does this mean every time you do that effect you have to unseal two brand new packs of bikes?

Tim

Mandrake wrote:There were several other performers in that show so can we please move on from the focus on Chris and one part of his routine?

Exactly

There were two of the best acts in the show on Saturday and people would rather talk about nonsense!!

Going back to what someone had said earlier, the Canadian's card trick...after numerous views, I agree with what someone had said earlier, "I don't actually wanna know how the trick was done!"

And the French guy was awesome too, the card in the bottle was brilliant enough right?

Due to editing, the best bit of Shawn Farquaer's comments was left out, he made the point that his trip to Vegas would cost P&T considerably less than any other winners as he only had to travel from Canada, not across the Atlantic!

Only watched the latest episode last night...

Farqhuar: Brilliance. Every aspect of the effect—for me—was executed with affection and ease. A pleasure to watch.

Pradier: Poetry. Although seemingly a little cumbersome at times, the fact there were two effects running in parallel made this very entertaining during—and after.

Manuel 'from Cuba': Sadly, even for a layperson, this effect was far too reliant on the props themselves. Given the level of skill seen from Farquar and Pradier, this was one of the night's let downs for me. The comedy surpassed the magic, and even only at a push.

Dugdale: I've heard lots in the past about Chris—mostly negative, but some positive. So far as the performance on the show, I found him pompous, over-theatrical and annoying. The drawn-out effect wasn't worth any of the climaxes. And from the moment he asked the 'spectator at seat 408' to stand, I knew what had happened, what was coming, and the rest was just gravy. Amazingly disappointing, boring and not worth the pages of comments herein.

Mr Teller: This had me and the wife cringing. Brilliant to watch, and again, another reason why they're at the top of their game.

Alfred Borden wrote:
Going back to what someone had said earlier, the Canadian's card trick...after numerous views, I agree with what someone had said earlier, "I don't actually wanna know how the trick was done!"

He did this numerous times at Blackpool a few years ago in the close up shows. It's not Extractor but uses a similar set up as far as the reveal goes. I thought his angle wasn't great for the camera, he seemed to turn too far towards Ross for my liking & exposed a bit on the side. Can't believe it fooled P&T though.

Alfred Borden wrote:And the French guy was awesome too, the card in the bottle was brilliant enough right?

Also pretty heavily edited I'm sure you'll agree. I love Ettiene & everything he says makes sense, glad to see him back on the telly.

seige wrote:Only watched the latest episode last night...

Farqhuar: Brilliance. Every aspect of the effect—for me—was executed with affection and ease. A pleasure to watch.

Pradier: Poetry. Although seemingly a little cumbersome at times, the fact there were two effects running in parallel made this very entertaining during—and after.

Manuel 'from Cuba': Sadly, even for a layperson, this effect was far too reliant on the props themselves. Given the level of skill seen from Farquar and Pradier, this was one of the night's let downs for me. The comedy surpassed the magic, and even only at a push.

Dugdale: I've heard lots in the past about Chris—mostly negative, but some positive. So far as the performance on the show, I found him pompous, over-theatrical and annoying. The drawn-out effect wasn't worth any of the climaxes. And from the moment he asked the 'spectator at seat 408' to stand, I knew what had happened, what was coming, and the rest was just gravy. Amazingly disappointing, boring and not worth the pages of comments herein.

Mr Teller: This had me and the wife cringing. Brilliant to watch, and again, another reason why they're at the top of their game.

Just saw this:
http://www.maidenhead-advertiser.co.uk/ ... -itv-show/

danata wrote:Just saw this:
http://www.maidenhead-advertiser.co.uk/ ... -itv-show/

Priceless. That's what happens when muggles become journos.
Or, more cynically, when performers are so self-obsessed that their own PR department is instructed to make fools of them by releasing transparent releases.

And here I was thinking Penn & Teller rumbled him before he set foot on stage.

But in a show where two acts fooled P&T with one (Farqhaur) leaving Penn entirely baffled, apparently it was this one which was "the most stunning climax to a trick ever seen on television"