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Whats your definition of 'Psychic', curious is all ...

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Lord Freddie wrote:Using your theory, when you give one of the kind of readings that Craig refers to, that's a hell of a lot of coincidences in a short space of time.
There some things that science can't explain. I think on this thread, the mystery entertainers have taken on the role of the magicians and the rest have become that annoying spectator who keeps saying things like "you must have been holding two cards...".
And we all know how irritating those kind of spectators are...

Yes it is alot of coincidences in a short space of time, but chance may only be a part of it. I like to think rationally about these things - Im not saying a paranormal explaination is impossible, but Id like to explore the rational route first.

I agree that there are some things that science cant explain. I myself have witnessed something, and experienced another, which I have failed to find a rational explanation for, despite years of trying.

jim

Great reply Jim. I consider myself to be open minded regardings things of an occult nature. Never say never. And I find bad mediums as annoying as most.
There's a massive difference to what bizarre/mystery performers do and someone like Colin Fry. I think that's what's trying to be established here.

I dont believe that anything is impossible. Other than the 2 things I mentioned (one would be described as a premonition, the other was a ''thing'' I saw) I havent seen anything to convince me. If someone told me they could genuinely read someones mind and demonstrate it, id be skeptical of this claim, but at the same time Id absoulutely love it if it were true. Ive yet to witness someone who can really do something like this, but its certainly not impossible.

My family on my fathers side was abound with mysterious tales. I remember as a kid sitting in my grandfathers house and being fascinated by their recounting of the wonderous stories. As I think back the livingroom was actually quite fitting - heavy burgandy velvet curtains, the dark green painted walls, low lit lamps, and his old fashioned high back chair in front of the fire - rather Hammer Horror.
It was more from my grans side that the stories came from, her mother was a Romany gypsy. The stories range from things like ghosts, a curse, a sort of temporary time travel, pieces of strange, 2 ufos, and even a werewolf type thing.

It was in this house that I read my first book on the paranormal. It was the first volume of the Man Myth and Magic set, needless to say I read them all. The set was later given to me when he passed on.

jim

Just a point to consider: Uri Geller maketed himself as the 'real deal' and is far more successful than anyone here will ever be.

I often think that Uri was the last great old school mentalist. Apart from you and me Freddie!

Lord Freddie, the issue is not whether or not one is successful, but whether it is right not to tell an audience of adults that you are doing tricks when performing spooky material.

As many people will undoubtedly point out (but I am hoping this post will prevent the need), the fact that someone has made loads of money doing something does not make their actions right and proper.

I think it is perfectly acceptable to treat adults like adults, but rather than bang on, I'll let people read Richard Osterlind's The Principles of Mentalism, because he explains the point perfectly. I don't necessarily agree with everything in that book, but on this point I think he is spot on (although I don't think you need a disclaimer).

Part-Timer wrote: (although I don't think you need a disclaimer).

Is that your disclaimer?

Now I need to wrap a cold towel round my head to work that out.

If one disclaims a disclaimer is that a claimer, or a double disclaimer?

themagicwand wrote:I often think that Uri was the last great old school mentalist. Apart from you and me Freddie!

Of course! And he's one of the only ones that can keep a secret!

Part-Timer wrote:Now I need to wrap a cold towel round my head to work that out.

If one disclaims a disclaimer is that a claimer, or a double disclaimer?

I think I've successfully launched a Denial of Service attack on your mind

Peter Popoff was pretty successful...

sleightlycrazy wrote:Peter Popoff was pretty successful...

I still get the occasional letter from him. And his "Holy Water" didn't work.

How many times has he been exposed as a fraud - yet he and his so called 'ministry' is still going strong?

Mandrake wrote:How many times has he been exposed as a fraud - yet he and his so called 'ministry' is still going strong?

Which should tell us all we need to know about human belief patterns. Magicians have been exposing mediums, psychics etc since year dot, yet it hasn't made an ounce of difference. People will believe what they want to believe, and other people jumping up and "debunking" them will only serve to make the original beliefs more deeply entrenched.