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I think if you reread most of my posts mandrake, you'll see a common theme that leaves decisions up to the individual. I present my views and or experience in the hope that others will learn.

I find many others on this board are more interested in name calling and or put downs than helping anyone.

Maybe as the grand pooba, you can do something about that? Maybe? Then again, you don't seem to want to, so I'm sure things will stay thee same, as with anyone who refuses to challenge convention.

jdmagic357 wrote:I find many others on this board are more interested in name calling and or put downs than helping anyone.

Oh the number of times I've ended up in tears in school, with people chanting "Craig! Craig! Craig!" at me. It was horrible, I tell you. Simply horrendous. Of course, I was warned that if I was to tell a teacher, it'd be twice as bad

Maybe as the grand pooba, you can do something about that? Maybe? Then again, you don't seem to want to, so I'm sure things will stay thee same, as with anyone who refuses to challenge convention.

Just so happens I've sent a PM to Mandrake with my suggestion

I hope he takes it on board.

jdmagic357 wrote:I think if you reread most of my posts mandrake, you'll see a common theme that leaves decisions up to the individual. I present my views and or experience in the hope that others will learn.

I find many others on this board are more interested in name calling and or put downs than helping anyone.

Maybe as the grand pooba, you can do something about that? Maybe? Then again, you don't seem to want to, so I'm sure things will stay thee same, as with anyone who refuses to challenge convention.

David, clearly you're not happy here because we just don't accept your every word as 100% right whilst at the same time tending to reject out of hand differing opinions made by others. My point is still valid, the many who offer other thoughts are long standing working professionals who know exactly what they’re doing because that’s how they earn their crust. I for one respect that, as do many other members here, but I don’t see the same respect from you – far from it. I don’t need to reread any of your posts, as Admin here I read all contentious posts several times, including all of your 82 posts, to make sure the Moderators’ assessment is based on solid fact rather than supposition. There most certainly is a common theme but it's not what you claim it to be. I won't state the obvious but in accordance with your wording I'll leave others to form their own opinions - assuming they haven't already done so.

To state that I don't want to put things right shows how insular and self centred your opinions are, you don't know me and I wouldn't dream of being so acidic in response to a fairly obvious comment based on your own wording. I would, however, point out that TM has managed very successfully for almost nine years without benefit of your pearls of wisdom and I'll bet we can get along just fine without them, and you, for another nine.

Even more specifically we can get along without input from someone who is so warped as to make snide remarks about the situation in Japan. Despite all that, do have a nice day. Elsewhere.

Once again Mandrake you prove what a gent you are! Just ignore comments like that and get on with talking to people who will listen as well as offer their view.

Why burn it anyway? It just draws attention to the note. And the note is nothing. It's less than dirt. It's just the remains of that person's thoughts, used to help him turn the word into a picture in his mind (or some other nonsense). That's the way it should be seen by the spectator.

The less they remember about the writing, the better. I just take it and tear it apart after they write it down. No need to even say anything.

Jing wrote:never mind why are you tearing it?
why are you burning it?

If all you are going to do is tear and burn it up, then why have they bothered writing it down.

'please write something on this piece of paper, so i can tear it up and burn it, now we're you thinking of the number 7?'

Exactly, that is a mayor logical flaw right there. if you make someone write something down, just to tear it or burn it, just to reveal the word immediately afterwards, it doesn't take a magician to figure you somehow peeked at the word written.
one way you could get around this logical flaw is to let them write it down to "Show the word around" but i still don't like it.

TheMentalist wrote:Exactly, that is a mayor logical flaw right there. if you make someone write something down, just to tear it or burn it, just to reveal the word immediately afterwards, it doesn't take a magician to figure you somehow peeked at the word written.

The answer there is that you don't reveal the word immediately afterwards. I've seen both a tear and a burn recently that have been fantastically handled; the former from Docc Hilford where the billet is torn up in the context of a false start to an effect, an abandoned apparent method that is done with such offhandedness that it's easily dismissed or even forgotten. The burn was from Cassidy and is viewable here. It comes across as a bit of dramatics almost for dramatics sake, but doesn't jar, doesn't seem illogical, and leads beautifully into the second phase.

It's not in the tearing or the burning, it's in the routining.

Docc's written a whole book about justifying centre tears.

The procedure can be justified, or it can be rendered irrelevant, by the routining, as Mr Grue has said.

Perhaps in a reading situation (Ive never done one so know zilch) you could tell them that in order to read them they have to open themselves up to your mind, which many find difficult to do. In order to help them do this they can write an emotion they currently feel often in the circle to loosen up their mind. Then tear up. Then you can just do a reading as normal (I dont know how you would go about such a thing really) and can slip in the extra nugget of info where you see fit. Could this work?

Mr_Grue wrote:the former from Docc Hilford where the billet is torn up in the context of a false start to an effect, an abandoned apparent method that is done with such offhandedness that it's easily dismissed or even forgotten.

That actually sounds like a really good idea...

That false start method is actually in the 13 Steps to Mentalism. It is credited to Punx.
And talking about the 13 Steps I actually saw Corinda himself do the centre tear exactly as in the book. And yes. He burned the pieces too.

I perform the tear ALL the time and have never found a need to burn it. I have always believed that to tear a billet and then burn it is a little overboard and, to cap it all, it is quite unnecessary.

If you are going to tear a slip of paper, then tear it and do the centre tear.

If you are going to burn a slip of paper, then switch it before setting it ablaze.

Ian Rowland is a fan of my Centre Tear

Ian Rowland is NOT a fan of your centre tear, Paul. You will believe anything. He was only pretending to be a fan of yours to annoy me. I am psychic and know these things. He isn't psychic and doesn't know anything.

And burning is fine if a little inconvenient. But if you burn then use it as a presentational advice. It can add to the showmanship.

Of course mentalists and showmanship usually don't go together anyway. They are all far too long winded.

Ian Rowland is not a fan of YOU, Mark.