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by **BrucUK** » May 5th, '11, 13:55

3. Start your routine with O.O.T.W. this way you can have it set up, then do some false Shfls and C*ts.

I am not a great cardician, however, that's what I have been thinking all along.
Seconded.
Why make things difficult for yourself? You have enough on your plate with all the performing. In any other "performing art" they would look for the easy way - why do magicians seem to do the opposite?

Bruce

by **Le Petit Bateleur** » May 5th, '11, 14:35

My reasoning for not starting with OOTW is that I prefer something quicker at the beginning, like the spec touches 4 indifferent cards, which turn out to be the 4 aces.

I think it grabs attention more quickly than asking someone to sort between 52 cards, explain the reasons etc...

For me OOTW is a closing effect because it is so strong, and by the end of it, people have already seen some magic and are more willing to go along with a longer trick.

What do you think?

by **daleshrimpton** » May 5th, '11, 14:41

oh, dont get me wrong. I agree that it's a difficult routine to open with, as nothing can top it However, if you started off the set with a non card routine, you could then do it.

I must repeat the sugestion of the non set up versions.

The beauty of these versions is, at any time during the routine, they could shuffle the deck. though thereis no need too.

by **Le Petit Bateleur** » May 5th, '11, 15:01

daleshrimpton wrote:oh, dont get me wrong. I agree that it's a difficult routine to open with, as nothing can top it However, if you started off the set with a non card routine, you could then do it.

I must repeat the sugestion of the non set up versions.

The beauty of these versions is, at any time during the routine, they could shuffle the deck. though thereis no need too.

I see you point Dale, thanks. I think I have the Ammar routine in one of my DVDs actually, thanks for bringing it back to memory. You mentioned another one?

Busy night tonight, I received my stripper deck and Jon's DVD ... AND I have to check the Ammar routine. Tough life. :lol:

by **daleshrimpton** » May 5th, '11, 15:07

there are quite a few out there. However, IMHO The Ammar one seems to be the most practical.

by **russpie** » May 5th, '11, 16:25

Maybe this could help. I was taught (many years ago) a handling/effect which can be used after a spectator has FULLY shuffled the deck. I don't know the name or even if has ever been published, like I said it was years ago & the magician is no longer around.

The basic effect is that you run through the whole deck turning some face up & some face down as you explain what you are doing, you show that the deck is a jumbled mess & that if you were to deal them out you'd see half the cards face up etc. You spread them out & they are all face down.

Now, this does 2 things, it is a short effect which is a good starter & if done in the right way leaves you perfectly set up for any OOTW routine (red & blacks are seperated).

by **Le Petit Bateleur** » May 5th, '11, 18:03

russpie wrote:Maybe this could help. I was taught (many years ago) a handling/effect which can be used after a spectator has FULLY shuffled the deck. I don't know the name or even if has ever been published, like I said it was years ago & the magician is no longer around.

The basic effect is that you run through the whole deck turning some face up & some face down as you explain what you are doing, you show that the deck is a jumbled mess & that if you were to deal them out you'd see half the cards face up etc. You spread them out & they are all face down.

Now, this does 2 things, it is a short effect which is a good starter & if done in the right way leaves you perfectly set up for any OOTW routine (red & blacks are seperated).

Russpie, this is a great idea! I tried it it worked first time. I would say you can go through the deck in less than 15 seconds.

Genius!

by **BrucUK** » May 5th, '11, 18:04

My reasoning for not starting with OOTW is that I prefer something quicker at the beginning, like the spec touches 4 indifferent cards, which turn out to be the 4 aces.

I think it grabs attention more quickly than asking someone to sort between 52 cards, explain the reasons etc...

So why not start out with the 4 Aces at the top, and perform something like Dr. Daleys, and THEN go into OOTW. Paul Gordon (for example) uses his jogshuffle to keep red and black split. Find something else for a closer

Bruce

by **gunnarkr** » May 5th, '11, 18:18

Le Petit Bateleur wrote: - I can cull a card quite well, but not half a deck at a decent and smooth pace.

Hi PB. I know this takes a few weeks to practice thorough, but here you can seen an example of the Roadrunner Cull of Kostya Kimlat in action.
Here he uses the method with face up – face down cards, but same applies to separating colors. It's fun to view!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bh_B6ZhkmVM

Cheers!

by **mark lewis** » May 5th, '11, 18:24

Oh dear! Oh dear, oh dear! Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear!

I suppose I had better tell you all what to do. Or at least give you a little clue. You do NOT have to do any of the shenanigans described above. You CAN do Out of This World impromptu without all that secret culling or starting out with the deck all ready.

I shall give you two clues and let you sort the rest out yourself. This really is the BEST way of overcoming the problem and I have been doing it this way for over 40 years.

Clue number one. You TELL them you are setting up the deck!
Clue number two. This is the George Blake method. It is not in print anywhere so it will take you a bit of effort to locate it. However, the effort is worth it. Perhaps some know-all magician has heard about the method.

Ask around. I don't see why I should tell you everything.

by **jim ferguson** » May 5th, '11, 18:59

gunnarkr wrote:here you can seen an example of the Roadrunner Cull of Kostya Kimlat in action.
Here he uses the method with face up – face down cards, but same applies to separating colors. It's fun to view!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bh_B6ZhkmVM

by **daleshrimpton** » May 5th, '11, 20:08

George Blake published his handling in Max Andrews' Magic Magazine.

search Lybrary.

by **russpie** » May 5th, '11, 23:15

Le Petit Bateleur wrote:Russpie, this is a great idea! I tried it it worked first time. I would say you can go through the deck in less than 15 seconds.

Genius!

I'm surprised you got it fom that description, I tried to keep it vague. If anyone knows the effect, who's it is, where it's published i'd like to know. As I said, I was shown it ages ago but have done it like that ever since.

Anyone know if the recent book dedicated to OOTW has explainations of 'get ready' described in there? Just trying to help Le Petit Bateleur get as many ideas as possible.

by **Pickman** » May 17th, '11, 14:38

Harry Lorayne has a version of OOTW in his book, 'My Favourite Card Tricks' called, 'Impromptu Out Of this World' In this version the reds and blacks do not need to be separated prior to the effect and it can be performed with a borrowed deck, shuffled by the spectator.

The routine is played slightly different at the beginning but the end result is the same.

by **mark lewis** » May 17th, '11, 19:16

The Harry Lorayne thing is as old as the hills. It is in actual fact the U.F. Grant method. It is indeed good and I have done it that way in the past.

However, the best method of all is the original Paul Curry method and it is the method I recommend since the spectator handles the deck throughout the procedure.

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