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Postby DenmarkKilo » May 14th, '11, 23:12



Pagali Zonda wrote:I see the point here, but the way he defined possible was that he could do it anytime anywhere, so if he failed at an effect it would be, by his definition, impossible, no matter what it said in the envelope.


His definition of impossible is that nobody could do it at all under those conditions. Possible being something he would do that close and would be repeatable.
Just because he screws up doesn't mean that it is immediately deemed impossible. The show could possibly allow him to do it again and then with some deft editing we would be none the wiser, but for the purposes of the show the envelope would be the final answer.

Side point - Anyone starting to think about possible ways to pull off the listed as impossible effects? I'm sure the dart one can be done with some slight changes...

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Postby DenmarkKilo » May 14th, '11, 23:27

user24 wrote:With regard to the bullseye one though.... can someone explain why it was impossible? Seems to me that the map could have had only say 200 different places on it and they filmed him in 200 places and then whereever the dart lands they can unpause at that location. No?


If the production company wanted to waste a week of their star's and a camera crew's time, then it is possible to do it. But this is for a gameshow on Channel 5 for maybe 8 minutes, so it's unlikely that they would go to that much trouble.

However, an episode of an online magic/bar scam tuition series did just that with Youtube, recording 104 different interviews with an expert with different names and search terms to reveal specific cards (104 being both short and long version of the interview, the name of the expert being changed each time so you can search for a specific card with relative ease). They then uploaded the results to 52 different Youtube accounts, created a tutorial explaining the trick and the code.
At one point Richard Garriott (Lord British) performed it over a radio link whilst in space.

tl:dr - It's impossible as they couldn't be bothered to put in THAT much work...

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Postby user24 » May 15th, '11, 10:07

DenmarkKilo wrote:tl:dr - It's impossible as they couldn't be bothered to put in THAT much work...


Yep exactly! So I was left thinking it was a little contrived, as their definition of 'impossible' wasn't quite what mine would be. Still, it *was* an interesting way to present magic, and I will be tuning in again to see how it develops.

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Postby Nic Castle » May 15th, '11, 23:22

I enjoyed this first episode and looking forward to the nest one. I thought the format worked quite well. At the end of the day the benchmark is did people find it entertaining and general cocensus seems to be they did.

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Postby Arkesus » May 15th, '11, 23:59

I was disgusted.

Saw it with a layperson, who simply put everything down to "well that guy has an envelope for each outcome and just brings over the right one if it goes right." and laughed her ass off when they had him walk on from backstage (nearly) and hide the tag with the dirty great big envelope, after they had vocally revealed the chosen name.

Thanks to it being a magic trick, you can actually control the outcome which is tantamount to a rigged competition. Think of three shell guys on street corners but on a larger scale.

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Postby phillsmiff » May 16th, '11, 09:16

Arkesus wrote:I was disgusted.

Saw it with a layperson, who simply put everything down to "well that guy has an envelope for each outcome and just brings over the right one if it goes right." and laughed her ass off when they had him walk on from backstage (nearly) and hide the tag with the dirty great big envelope, after they had vocally revealed the chosen name.

Thanks to it being a magic trick, you can actually control the outcome which is tantamount to a rigged competition. Think of three shell guys on street corners but on a larger scale.


Hi Arkesus, please undisgust yourself. Your assumption that every part of the game is a con is understandable but wrong:

The independent adjudicator is genuinely just that, an independent adjudicator. His name is Alex Calver, he works for the insurance company and is one of two insurance people on set at all times to make sure that outside of the scope of the challenges there is no cheating from either the punters or the production team.

What you think happened on the dressed up version of John Archers Collared did happen, (of course) but it wasnt Calver who did it. What happened with the envelope was purely an unfortunate side effect of doing the effect with a taxidermied rottweiler instead of a stuffed toy and not having quite enough rehearsal time (ie the damn thing spins round!). I was pi**ed because it took away a lot of the impact of the effect!

There genuinely is only one normal envelope per challenge. Calver does not switch anything. The possible / impossible nature of each challenge has been established with the insurance team at least a week beforehand. If the outcome varies during the show from what they have been told they will pull their cover and potentially cancel that episode.

And just because magicians seem to assume the worst: the end game is also genuine - they are not fancy change boxes, there isnt twenty k in each box and when open it the secret way it is hidden away.

Calver, the envelopes and the end game are all genuine. Obviously there is a way of making the possibles possible but the framework of the show is legit. Nothing is ever possible and then it doesn't happen just to screw up the punters. Aside from not being fair, it would be completely illegal, and I'll let you imagine how hard it would be to persuade a production company, a sponsor and a national broadcaster to get behind a show like thay.

Whether you believe me or not is up to you, its your call not to like the show but we didnt break the law to make it!

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Postby DavMac » May 16th, '11, 09:17

jhmagic1 wrote:Is the scratch card effect a marketed item, or was it created for the show?


From what I can gather, it is, or rather was, a marketed effect and was reviewed on here a number of years back but it doesn't seem to be available anymore.

I'm not sure if it's ok to name the effect in an open forum, if one of the mods could let me know I'll post a link to the review.

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Postby Mandrake » May 16th, '11, 09:37

No harm at all in naming the effect or giving a link to further information.

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Postby DavMac » May 16th, '11, 11:13

Thanks Mandrake, thought it best to play it safe.

http://www.talkmagic.co.uk/ftopic1678.php

Any references I've found refer to it being no longer produced.

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Postby Adag » May 16th, '11, 21:23

The scratch card trick is now owned by tenyo and i believe is called magic scratch card! http://tenyo-magic.blogspot.com/2010/05 ... -card.html
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Episode 2

Postby phillsmiff » May 19th, '11, 09:42

The next episode is on tonight at 10pm on channel 5.

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Postby russpie » May 20th, '11, 14:29

Well I'm enjoying it. I think it's a nice refreshing way to perform mentalism. Let's face it anyone who tried doing a straight mind reader show would be instantly compared to Derren Brown who has build up an audience.

I had already seen marketing photos for this show featuring Multi Dimensional colour cube & having bought it recently was watching eagerly for his take on it which was ok & different enough to my routine. £260 NOT down the drain :-)

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Postby TheStoner » May 20th, '11, 17:57

Musings...

A lot of this show is just the presentation of marketed effects. But then I suppose Derren gets paid thousands to do age-old Annemann stuff. Is that a problem? I'm not sure yet, the prog is pretty good, but still waiting for a "wow" moment TBH.

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Postby jhmagic1 » May 20th, '11, 19:59

TheStoner wrote:Musings...

A lot of this show is just the presentation of marketed effects. But then I suppose Derren gets paid thousands to do age-old Annemann stuff. Is that a problem? I'm not sure yet, the prog is pretty good, but still waiting for a "wow" moment TBH.


People watching the show who have no interest in buying magic wont have a clue a lot of the tricks are marketed effects, plus dont magicians use marketed effects at gigs all the time?

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Postby Kroots » May 21st, '11, 22:37

I find it hard to see why they made the last effect impossible (the one with the pictures about the murder investigation).

He could of used a simple one ahead for that.

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