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Leonard wrote:The "Tell" lay somewhere between the two concepts described above.

There were certainly some interesting explanations of HOW the tricks COULD have been done; but to suggest this is how they WERE done is perhaps a little fib.....

Disagree with this - The Tell did exactly what it intended to do. Tell you how the Show was accomplished.

I see very little difference between Tell and what the Masked Magician did, except I have more respect for the Masked Magician, because he was so open and upfront about it.

My comments on their performance style are based on seeing them on television. I have never seen them live and am prepared to accept that they are better live.

grant_m23 wrote:Disagree with this - The Tell did exactly what it intended to do. Tell you how the Show was accomplished.

Unfortunately, that's not entirely true.

Hmm..

For example, whilst a "gallium spoon" is certainly a way of making a tea spoon disappear in a glass of water, that is not how they made the tea-spoon break in the show, and disappear in their 'garden video'. In fact, the two videos they showed of how they made their gallium spoon were lifted directly from YouTube - do a quick youtube search for gallium spoon and you will see.
In their show, the tea-spoon broke because it had already been bent and twisted repreatedly, to create a crack at the junction, and on pressing it against the bottom of the glass very subtley, it quickly snapped. Quicker and cheaper than a "gallium spoon".

We could go through all their tricks in a similar manner, but that would be boring.

In much the same way as Derren Brown tells you he read your mind by watching your pupils dilate, your arm muscles twitch and your 'subconscious signals', so B&S 'explained' their tricks.

"In their show, the tea-spoon broke because it had already been bent and twisted repreatedly, to create a crack at the junction, and on pressing it against the bottom of the glass very subtley, it quickly snapped. Quicker and cheaper than a "gallium spoon".

Weeeeeellllll. In the Show I saw, it def. looked like a gallium spoon - it visibly melted away. In fact, as soon as it was picked up I thought, "That looks fishy. I bet it's specially made to melt in warm water or something." Now, it could be that in the Show you saw they'd not got the gallium spoon for some reason (it could have melted just before the show in a soup accident, for example) and they improvised with a distressed spoon. But, for your Tell, they showed the method they normally used. Perhaps you could give another example of a 'false method' from Tell. This isn't fishing for methods, of course, because, in a weird reversal of the normal situation, I'm trying to get a the *wrong* answer to 'How was that done?'

The explanations would accomplish the same results whether they were the methods used or not. I'm not sure there was reason enough for them put the effort into making up different false methods.

TonyB wrote:I have never seen them live and am prepared to accept that they are better live.

I'm sure they will be hugely relieved to hear that.

Having seen the show much of the above could be classed as exposure. OK, B&S 'expose' the stuff themselves but only to those who have paid for tickets and stay for the 'Tell' section. Just to be on the safe side I've moved the thread in here.