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I'd imagine that the last ball is going to have to ditched into a topit or perhaps sleeved if that's at all possible? For the move, I'd probably make a false throw with the last ball while in reality vanishing it into whatever device I'd come up with. The vanish is going to have to be quite bold but as you're audience has been conditioned to follow the balls in the air, they wil probably still do that even with the false throw and that should give you the moment or two that you need.

Just thinking out loud (and more as a juggler than a magician) how good is your juggling?

Personally I'd cascade, do a 3 ball flash and 180, carry the pattern on for a couple of beats then another flash and 180 so you're once again facing your audience. This is just to get them used to you turning your back as a trick rather than a move.

Then your high throw to ditch/pocket/toppit one ball and carry one with two in one hand. High throw and then back cross the second ball, back to two in one hand. High throw and ditch one ball, 180 under the high throw as you ditch and catch your last ball.

You've got your back to the audience at this point so ditch that ball, fake throwing the ball over your shoulder (as you'd have your back to the audience, mimicking your back cross) spin around and look surprised as you look up to follow the ball that isn't there.

Seem's rather convoluted but that's my thoughts on doing a juggling routine rather than a (not so) simple magic trick


Anybody follow that? Lawrence?

Toppit seems to be the easiest method. But keep in mind it takes time to get used to a toppit.

mrz0mbie wrote:Seem's rather convoluted but that's my thoughts on doing a juggling routine rather than a (not so) simple magic trick


Anybody follow that? Lawrence?

I did and yes "convoluted" applies perhaps But at least we're thinking outside the box (get it?... nevermind....)

Could you toppit the first 2 then use the third one for a zombie ball?

The problem you have is that once you are down to one ball, that ball has an incredible amount of heat on it, having seen the other two vanish, people will be watching the remaining ball like a hawk. Ideally you'd want to ditch the ball before they know it's gone, replacing it with something else for them to focus on.

I saw a wonderful routine once where a single ball was vanished in throw by lowering it as if to do one almighty throw, then when released the ball simply broke into hundreds of streams of tissue.

The key was that the magician turned side on as she twisted to get that big throw, and for a moment the ball went behind her, where a white solid ball was exchanged for a handful of packed White streamers.

Probably quite a nuance to get the switch looking like one fluid throw, but as a juggler I'm sure you're up to it.

- Stacy

Could you just palm it?

I really love the idea of doing something different with that last ball. The audience are going to be expecting it to vanish so by turning it into something different or vanishing it in a surprising way will add a nice little climax. I'm thinking of perhaps using a flasher, on the last throw, make a dummy throw, palm the ball and fire a flash into the air.

mrz0mbie wrote:Just thinking out loud (and more as a juggler than a magician) how good is your juggling?

Personally I'd cascade, do a 3 ball flash and 180, carry the pattern on for a couple of beats then another flash and 180 so you're once again facing your audience. This is just to get them used to you turning your back as a trick rather than a move.

Then your high throw to ditch/pocket/toppit one ball and carry one with two in one hand. High throw and then back cross the second ball, back to two in one hand. High throw and ditch one ball, 180 under the high throw as you ditch and catch your last ball.

You've got your back to the audience at this point so ditch that ball, fake throwing the ball over your shoulder (as you'd have your back to the audience, mimicking your back cross) spin around and look surprised as you look up to follow the ball that isn't there.

see all that would work and as I've said already those sorts of methods are what I thought of first, and my juggling is good enough for all those tricks, though a 1 up pirrouette would look nicer and still give the desired spin allowing to dump a ball. however its not the effect I was after, sadly I think we are going to have to stick to the routine we currently have, being that both me and my friend juggle, hes far superior a juggler to me, what we have currently is I throw one high, catch, 3 ball flash, repeat a few times then on one of the high balls 2 balls vanish when I catch the high throw I explain this always happens when I juggle for too long the balls seem to just disappear all the time, and he follows on with that's really strange because when I juggle balls mysteriously appear as he performs a 3 ball flash into 5 ball cascade with two identical balls that I vanished.