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My tips for what they're worth;

Older cards are more difficult to palm.
Misdirect/larger movement to cover the smaller movement - Execute the palm during the motion of pushing the sleeve of your palming arm up with your other hand.
For a different sleight with the same result (a palmed card) try side stealing the bottom card instead.
The Extractor can help to build up palming courage too in that it allows you to palm a card from an impossible situation & teaches you to not worry that you have one palmed.

You're probably on the way to learning it now, but if you still find it difficult have a look at the description of the move in Expert Card Technique. The descriptions and illustrations are brief but very useful, and fairly easy to understand. It's probably just about practise and getting a feel for the move once you understand the technique.

HAHAHAAAAA. Just got the first one off, & into palm.

Who's the daddy

I have been doing this for decades. It is indeed quite difficult to learn. I guess you just have to keep at it. I learned it from one of the Jean Hugard books from the Card Manipulations series.

It is a very useful move but I have to confess that I have used the regular two handed palm much more often. I have noticed that magicians usually screw this sleight up AFTER they do it. They feel terribly guilty with the deadly secret in their hand and they want to get rid of the card as soon as possible and this guilty look gives the game away. I don't have this problem because I never feel guilty about anything.

CArlight1958 wrote::D

HAHAHAAAAA. Just got the first one off, & into palm.

Who's the daddy

Ok, now lest see you do it with both hands at the same time

mark lewis wrote:I have been doing this for decades. It is indeed quite difficult to learn. I guess you just have to keep at it. I learned it from one of the Jean Hugard books from the Card Manipulations series.

It is a very useful move but I have to confess that I have used the regular two handed palm much more often. I have noticed that magicians usually screw this sleight up AFTER they do it. They feel terribly guilty with the deadly secret in their hand and they want to get rid of the card as soon as possible and this guilty look gives the game away. I don't have this problem because I never feel guilty about anything.

A great observation, and very ture.

mark lewis wrote: I have noticed that magicians usually screw this sleight up AFTER they do it. They feel terribly guilty with the deadly secret in their hand and they want to get rid of the card as soon as possible and this guilty look gives the game away.

Thanks for the advice Mark,
I have spent many months watching Paul Wilson's "Extreme Possibilities"
The way he just sits there, very calm, & in no great rush to dump a card has helped me gain that devious streak

Ade,
There are many things I can do with both hands
However, two handed top palms may be a little ways off yet my friend.

Thanks again gentlemen

CArl...

Where palming is concerned two hands are easier than one. The key is to be a relaxed as possible once you have the card in your hand. I am always amused that the hot shot card technicians have trouble with certain basic sleights such as the top change, the classic force and the palm. It is because they take a certain nerve. The technicians can do wonderful things with their fingers but their mental attitude gets in the way when they have to do the aforementioned three basic moves.

mark lewis wrote:Where palming is concerned two hands are easier than one. The key is to be a relaxed as possible once you have the card in your hand. I am always amused that the hot shot card technicians have trouble with certain basic sleights such as the top change, the classic force and the palm. It is because they take a certain nerve. The technicians can do wonderful things with their fingers but their mental attitude gets in the way when they have to do the aforementioned three basic moves.

Thanks Mark,

Your advice is very much appreciated, & duly noted.

I watched your Svengali Deck routine, It's really brilliant my friend.
Your a credit to the trade.

CArl...

Although Mark makes some good points, the one hand top palm is a very useful sleight because you don't have to frame the move by bringing your hands together. Although I learned the regular two handed palm first, for the last ten years or so I use a one hand palm 90% of the time.

IanKendall wrote: the one hand top palm is a very useful sleight because you don't have to frame the move by bringing your hands together. Although I learned the regular two handed palm first, for the last ten years or so I use a one hand palm 90% of the time.

I agree Ian,

With the correct misdirection, it's a wonderful slight, but if I'm honest, it's been one of the most difficult slights to date to
accomplish. Darwin Ortiz goes into some detail on how to misdirect before doing the move.
My two handed top palm is pretty invisible now, & my confidence is growing.

Another palm which is on Lee Smith's iCandy dvd is now in my arsenal, can't remember the name of it, but
basically you double undercut the top card, angling the deck as you do so, this pretty much puts the bottom
card into the left hand palm, & it's pretty much invisible.

The one hander is causing me the problem though, it's gonna take time.
It'll happen eventually. Thanks for the help, & advice.

Cheers mate.

CArl...

I struggled with this for literally months until I saw a lecture by Gary Kurtz on a tape from an International lecture I think.

Its extremely tricky to describe the tip he gives in words so Id advise getting a copy of the tape, but it literally changed my technique overnight and I had a solid top palm down within about a week after watching it, this after months of trying.

mobi wrote:I struggled with this for literally months until I saw a lecture by Gary Kurtz on a tape from an International lecture I think.
Its extremely tricky to describe the tip he gives in words so Id advise getting a copy of the tape, but it literally changed my technique overnight and I had a solid top palm down within about a week after watching it, this after months of trying.

Hello mobi,

Can't seem to find anything on this.
Any ideas where I might get a hold of this?

CArl...

Got this move looking pretty natural now.

Anyone wanting to master this move.
Lee Smith's "Step System" Vol.2 has a good explanation of this, & helped a lot.


CArl...

Please look up Vernon"s top palm. The best. Very underrated.