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Re: Absolute Magic or Pure Effect?

Postby Reverend Tristan » Feb 16th, '12, 02:20



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Mumbungo wrote:In that respect, you could save a lot of money by perhaps reading Peter Brook, Brecht, Artaud, Stanislavski, thinking for yourself and generally accepting it as a truism that most magicians are awful and embarassing.

If magicians spent more time studying acting and performance rather than learning one hundred different ways of controlling a card to the top of the pack, maybe the general public would have more respect for it as an art form rather than just jumping to the assumption that all magicians are the horrific creepy Uncle Bob monstrosities that they remember from their childhoods and are commonly seen propping up the bar at magic conventions wearing sequinned waistcoats and playing card ties. When I think about how I want to appear as a magician and, more importantly, what I would like to see when I watch a magician, I think of the characters in The Illusionist or The Prestige- you know, magicians who in actual fact are portrayed by professional actors and therefore are actually convincing as people who appear to magical abilities rather than coming across as socially backward degenerates who spend to much time perfecting their classic pass.

Only other magicians care if you've perfected a complicated sleight, if you're doing it properly, the audience won't ever notice you've done it so why not use an easier alternative, think about how their going to perceive what you're doing, and spend more than a microsecond thinking about whether or not at the end they're clapping because they're astonished or if they're just being polite because "you've obviously spent a lot of time practising you're complicated moves and it would be massively rude to reward your efforts by being honest and yawning in your face." :evil:

Maybe this isn't the right thread to have a rant but I've seen a lot of magicians and been massively disappointed by how boring and unconvincing they are but I've rarely been to the theatre and gone away with the same feeling so we must be doing something wrong. Don't get me wrong, I love good magic of all varieties, it just appears to me that it's pretty thin on the ground and the muggles all know it!


Here here, hence why I have never been to blackpool, I hate magician! There I said it, that is a weight off my mind :-)
No that's not true, I hate most magicians, I agree about read books on theatre, also looking outside magic, films, books, comedians even singers. Look at how they hold an audience, how they wrap up a simple song or joke and captivate an areana full of people.

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Re: Absolute Magic or Pure Effect?

Postby Acolophon » Feb 16th, '12, 11:43

Liam, it might interest you to know that 'The Magic of Nick Trost' is now up for sale at Amazon for £100. Anyone who wants one better start trawling the magic dealers pronto.

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Re: Absolute Magic or Pure Effect?

Postby Karma » Feb 16th, '12, 12:56

Lord Freddie wrote:
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If its card magic you are interested in I thoroughly recommend The Card Magic of Nick Trost.
Full of stuff you will actually use and none of it knuckle busting. You'll thank me one day. There's some incredible packet tricks in there, real audience pleasers.


That's another that sounds really good, just ordered. :D


It's great, plenty you can use. I also recommend David Acer's books particularly Random Acts of Magic and his new one More Power To You which contain lots of commercial effects, cards and otherwise. These books are a fraction of the cost of Derren's books and much more useful in terms of material you will find useful.


I've ordered the "more power to you" as it's discribed as a "best of David Acer" type thing. Now I really do need to cut up my debit card :shock:

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Re: Absolute Magic or Pure Effect?

Postby Lord Freddie » Feb 16th, '12, 13:52

Acolophon wrote:Liam, it might interest you to know that 'The Magic of Nick Trost' is now up for sale at Amazon for £100. Anyone who wants one better start trawling the magic dealers pronto.


Before the current re-release it was selling for silly prices but was republished a few years ago. Alakazam have it:

http://www.alakazam.co.uk/product-Card- ... -Book.html

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Re: Absolute Magic or Pure Effect?

Postby Lord Freddie » Feb 16th, '12, 13:54

Karma wrote:
If its card magic you are interested in I thoroughly recommend The Card Magic of Nick Trost.
I've ordered the "more power to you" as it's discribed as a "best of David Acer" type thing. Now I really do need to cut up my debit card :shock:


It's a great book. There's a really nice card effect in there called 'Changes' which I use in my close-up show. David is a really funny writer too which make the books fun to read.

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Re: Absolute Magic or Pure Effect?

Postby Robbie » Mar 10th, '12, 14:55

If you're a card worker, then definitely you'll get a lot out of the Devil's Picturebook if you can find a copy. It's entirely a homemade effort and has only ever been made available in smallish batches as and when Derren and crew got around to making them available.

The official Derren Brown website has been given a complete redesign, and is based around a blog now. There's a shop, but it contains only souvenirs, performance DVDs, and books written for the general public. I can't see any link to the Devil's Picturebook, and all the internet references about where to buy it are outdated, referring to his old website. I suspect it's unavailable for the moment and possibly forever. Your best bet is to try to hunt down a secondhand copy.

Mumbungo wrote:Certainly I would say for what they are worth, they are certainly not worth what they are worth.

I think that sums it up pretty well! As books of magical theory, Pure Effect and Absolute Magic are well worth what they were being sold for when they were in print (£30-£40) -- I bought Pure Effect when it came out and have never regretted it. But now that they're considered collectors' items, they command collectors' prices. I saw a Pure Effect dust jacket being sold on eBay last year for about the same price the book itself cost new.

Admittedly, any object's value is the amount someone is willing to pay for it, so as collector's items they're "worth" three-figure sums. But, frankly, they don't contain three-figure-sums-worth of information. Unless you're a Derren fanatic and are happy to spend that sort of money just to put the thing on your shelf and gloat over it, I wouldn't recommend the purchase.

But anything is possible! A few years ago I stumbled over a virtually mint copy of Absolute Magic on eBay for much less than the going rate -- it was badly misclassified and nobody else had noticed it was there. (It had been put in the occult section instead of books or magic tricks.) I've also managed to grab a set of Devil's Picturebook DVDs on eBay for much less than you'd normally expect. So you can find the occasional bargain if you look!

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