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I'm sorry for any misunderstanding.
David

Acolophon wrote:The 'classic force' is way above my pay grade unfortunately!
Did you really mean that? The real way to become expert with the classic force is first read the instructions and ,when you feel you really understand the method, use it every time you ask somebody to take a card when you don't need a force! You will be surprised how soon they always take the card.
Please try it. You will be glad you did.

The point being, and this has nothing to do with the actual thread, but the classic force is not above anyone's pay grade. As stated above practice when you don't need to force a card. The biggest issue is fear. Once you get past that the force becomes second nature. You won't have to worry about missing the force because you won't. Usually the next biggest issue is guilt as you start to feel guilty about putting the card in the person's hand. Sometimes, (at least for me) it is hard not to grin as they take the free card that you put in thier hand without them realizing. Really start trying it just for fun. As stated above, you won't be sorry.

Acolophon wrote:Part-Timer
I'm sorry for any misunderstanding.
David

No problem! I did "shoot from the hip" just a little.

bradder123,
Back to the original question. Perhaps you could try "The Magic of Tyler" e-book: "The two Way Force"?

It all depends on the effect but how about having the 36 cards above the bottom 16 all the same?

Randy wrote:Whit Haydn teaches a routine that uses a different handling of the Classic Force, but also the fact that IF the force misses, the routine still works like a miracle no matter what.

Hi all, I highly recommend my good friend Lee Smith's DVD's - The Step System. He teaches a fantastic effect using the classic force/fan force which has multiple outs

yeah a riffle force will work