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Ok guys, for my 700th post in less than a year i thought i would ask something a bit different.

What is your go to effect with cards, literally starting with a sealed deck, and either you shuffle, or the spectator does. I used to start with OOTW, but it's such a strong piece i like to leave it until later.

Usually now the opener is an ACR with a card to various places, just as a bit of fun. Later on i'll finish with ACR with omni deck, but once i have used the omni deck the cards don't come back (just a bit of advice a magician friend of mine gave me, and i have stuck to it)

What are yours?

Much love

Aza

Sealed deck would be Marlo's miracle routine- if I have a table and 2-3 specs.

soveda wrote:Sealed deck would be Marlo's miracle routine- if I have a table and 2-3 specs.

am i right in thinking thats marlos opener?? if its the same im thinking of (whereby various, seemingly impossible, feats are performed with a brand new deck) then yes..... that is definitely the most baffling effect that i can think of that can be dne utilising a new deck.... its taught by sal piacente on expert card magic i believe.

dont see why you'd need 2 or 3 spectators though?? 1 would suffice

It's a several phase routine, I learned it through a DVD taught by Bill Malone

Phases:
Weighing the cards
Divining spectator's chosen card (returned to deck)
Card prediction
Poker game
Bridge game
Rummy game

It works for one spectator but I think it is better with more than one as it reduces the focus a bit on the method.

It is this one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4585n3bM38c

yeah it is the same, i prefer the way its presented by sal though.....

and that clip does cut out a fair bit of the routine (i.e.... the moves and whatnot)

but i think we're both in agreeance it is a killer effect

Aza,

if either you or spectator shuffles then it shouldn't matter if it is a brand new unopened deck or not... you could use any impromptu card effect you know.

However, if you wanted to take advantage of the fact that it is in a new deck order then i understand your question.

I suggest looking at any effect that use new deck order to their advantage, perhaps you could do some sort of routine that doesn't affect the order of the cards and then finish in new deck order - using stuff like triumph which draws attention to the fact that you shuffled the deck etc... You could even let the spectator do a single riffle (or Rosetta) shuffle and then during the course of the routine do a green angle separation to return to new order.

There are also routines that openly start from new deck order, one that springs to mind is "Against All Odds" by Darwin Ortiz (in Cardshark) - You display a deck in "new deck" order, and explain what this means, you spread the cards for a free selection which the spectator does not look at. The deck is cut a few times, and the spectator then inserts the selected card anywhere in the deck (still without looking at it) and leaves it outjogged. You then spread through the deck and the selected card has been returned to its exact place in the deck (so the 4 hearts is returned between 3 and 5 of hearts).
I quite fancy the idea of opening with this, getting the spectator to shuffle until no order remains (according to Persi Diaconis it takes seven shuffles to fully remove any trace of the decks previous order, his paper on the shuffle can be found here: http://projecteuclid.org/DPubS?service=UI&version=1.0&verb=Display&handle=euclid.aoap/1177005705, there is a kind of summary here: http://www.dartmouth.edu/~chance/course/topics/winning_number.html or read the wiki link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persi_Diaconis#Card_shuffling) and then continuing with your act, finishing with dealing out the four suits in order.
At the beginning you've quite clearly drawn attention to the new deck order, and even more attention to the shuffling and mixing of the new deck order, to finish back in new deck order would bring the routine round in a nice impossible (or improbable) circle. I have no idea how to deal the suits in order from a shuffled deck, so i would be tempted to do a deck switch a few tricks before the end of routine.


Also worth mentioning:

• From a new deck order you can shuffle into Si Stebbins (Darwin Ortiz - At The Card Table: book and DVDs) - Do you do any Si Stebbins work?
Woody Aragon's book and DVD set have a trick which starts in new deck order and ends in Si Stebbins - The Ortiz method is shuffling the cards into Si Stebbins, but the Aragon method ends in Si Stebbins almost as a byproduct to the trick.

• From a new deck order you can shuffle into Tamariz's Mnemonica - Do you do any memorised deck work?

• If you do any tricks that take advantage of the new deck order covertly, you need to make sure the spectators are convinced the deck is mixed. If you do a trick with no shuffling and then the climax is new deck order it won't be that impressive, especially if they happen to know that new decks come in order.

Thanks,

Sam

P.S - Check out Max Maven's Mockingbird (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxFUhFUZb28 - Not done from new deck order, but you could take advantage of new deck order to do this or any routine using a similar method)

P.P.S - Does a method exist for dealing out the suits in order from a shuffled deck? (I guess you could stack it during the course of a previous trick... Any others?)

I just mentioned this in another post, but...

Lennart Green has a plethora of great material. One of the tricks he does is one of my favorites to do. You basically have two people shuffle half the deck each. You then have them shuffle cards into each others deck face up / face down, so the deck ends up completely shuffled with cards facing both ways. And they did all the shuffling! Then you take the deck, do a quick riffle and you tell them how many cards are face up in the deck, how many are red, how many are black, and then it has a hell of a kicker to finish. I don't know the name of the trick though. Thanks to another miracle move by the man, this routine is what I have often done with a brand new deck.

i1011i wrote:I just mentioned this in another post, but...

Lennart Green has a plethora of great material. One of the tricks he does is one of my favorites to do. You basically have two people shuffle half the deck each. You then have them shuffle cards into each others deck face up / face down, so the deck ends up completely shuffled with cards facing both ways. And they did all the shuffling! Then you take the deck, do a quick riffle and you tell them how many cards are face up in the deck, how many are red, how many are black, and then it has a hell of a kicker to finish. I don't know the name of the trick though. Thanks to another miracle move by the man, this routine is what I have often done with a brand new deck.

Rain man. It is essentially Aronson's Shuffle Bored with a slightly more "Lennart" handling.

I would be curious Aza,
what have you decided to do with a deck in new order?

Lenoir wrote:

i1011i wrote:I just mentioned this in another post, but...

Lennart Green has a plethora of great material. One of the tricks he does is one of my favorites to do. You basically have two people shuffle half the deck each. You then have them shuffle cards into each others deck face up / face down, so the deck ends up completely shuffled with cards facing both ways. And they did all the shuffling! Then you take the deck, do a quick riffle and you tell them how many cards are face up in the deck, how many are red, how many are black, and then it has a hell of a kicker to finish. I don't know the name of the trick though. Thanks to another miracle move by the man, this routine is what I have often done with a brand new deck.

Rain man. It is essentially Aronson's Shuffle Bored with a slightly more "Lennart" handling.

Shuffle Bored is awesome! Although it does require eagle eyes to stop two participants following shuffling instructions simultaneously....

The Lennart Green version makes it pretty simple to control the spectators as they don't do riffle shuffles, then use piles of cards messily spread and merge them together with their hands...looks even more impossible that you could have any control.

hey guys. not sure if this helps or what you're looking for...

all my new decks i tamper with a little. i bought a 1 way force deck and i basically undo the cellephane at the base and bottom of card box, and slide the new card in anywhere reversed.

obviously all the cards are the same so i just remember 1.

i then force their card any old how and its just an extra trick every time i have to use a new deck. i never work this into a routine, its just a kicker trick for when i need a new deck.

lately i have been sliding my business card in, and making a different one disapear and claim that its vanished into the brand new deck.. they open it, spread through and sure enough its there half way in the middle.

i had to do a gig for a football club who had a very charismatic MD. i took his picture off the website, printed it, glued it on the card, and kept it in the deck. it was a short card so all i had to do was was cut to it once they had opened, shuffled, cut, whatever. easy extra trick just for a laugh.

would suggest the best tricks with new deck order are ones then end up back in new deck order. i think this is mentioned already

was a nice moment when he turned it over.

I haven't had the opportunity to try it (I was too impatient with mine), and it doesn't involve a regular deck, but I'd imagine the ID routine would be pretty powerful if the pack was sealed as it would rule out any possibility of foul play (in the mind of the spectator at least).

I don't know of any other tricks that would be given that extra kind of boost by starting from a sealed pack, but I am sure that there are some!

Tricks with a sealed deck or tricks with an apparently sealed deck? Wealth of possibilities with the second option.

Mandrake wrote:Tricks with a sealed deck or tricks with an apparently sealed deck? Wealth of possibilities with the second option.

Indeed, one of the most impressive card tricks I've seen was performed by Shawn Farquhar on Penn and Teller Fool Us which involved him resealing a pack of cards (not just the USPCC sticker which would be comparatively easy, but the plastic wrapping too) in Penn's hands. I don't even have the foggiest clue as to how he did it, and frankly I don't want to know - but the effect was incredible.