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Finally! I've finished making my video!!

Now I'll just wait for comments lol.

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One move is my own creation. I still don't have a name for it. It's the packet display I do after the molecule II cut.

Oh, by the way, I finally reveal my face lol.


StEvEbO!

Nice video Stevebo!

I can see you've been practising with the XB DVD... it's coming along very nicely!

Keep up the good work.

Yup!

Also, just got my Cradle to Grave DVD! That's where I learnt the flipback fan! Which, by the way, is really easy!

StEvEbO!

Outstanding work. Your technique is remarkable. How long have you been working at these kinds of flourishes?

However, I find it hard to applaud your fantastic efforts. Just when I think I don't really care to learn the super-advanced flourishes and manipulations - you come along and make a video like this and immediately reawaken those damnable CUPS cells lurking inside of me!!!

I blame you, Stevebo...... I BLAME YOU!!!!

Demitri wrote:How long have you been working at these kinds of flourishes

Umm... I guess I've been doing flourishes since last Christmas. That's when I bought Showoff with cards. Now my flourish DVD collection include D&D System, Showoff with Cards, XB and Cradle to Grave.

Demitri wrote:I blame you, Stevebo...... I BLAME YOU!!!!

I don't blame you for blaming me!!! lol.

Just remember one thing... I am still a long way to perfecting these moves. I've got the smoothness for some moves but the speed is another thing.

But this video IS definetely the best video I've made so far!

If CUPS is affecting you Demitri, then XB is the DVD you want to get . I just bought The Encyclopedia of Playing Card Flourishes today!!! Yay!

StEvEbO!

I have been looking forward to the next vid from you, as I think you are great!!!

I am deeply impressed. I wish I could do half of those florishes

Jees ... nicely done Stevebo ... i might have to look into that XB, Dan & Dave and the Cradle to the Grave .... would be intresting to learn a few dlourishes ... mine are pretty lmited at the moment.

Rob

Sorry but i just dont see the point in this, i mean where could it be used in a magic routine? ok it looks fancy and all but realistically when could it be used. If it was used in the context of a "find a card" efect then the spec will automatically asume that the card has been controlled to the top of the deck through all the faffing about whereas if the card is controled by a simple pass or sidesteal then the magical effect is enhanced due to the fact that the cards "havent" been moved. In my opinion this totally goes against the whole point of sleight of hand magic

But then it isn't sleight of hand magic - it shows the spectator that you're good with cards, that you've practiced, and remember, it is quite impressive on its own!

Have you ever tried showing someone just flourishes? Reactions are better than you might think and I've had some people just ask to see "that fancy move thingy" again .

Kati

I think what De'vo, and Jerry C, try to get across is that if you are completely into XCM, then it isn't used in a magic routine. It is it's own style of card magic, or manipulation. It isn't sleight-of-hand, it's XCM.

If you look at Mog's statement, you would never do a 'find the card' routine during an XCM display. There would be no point, as Mog said. But people automatically think that you're learning this stuff to include in regular tricks. OK, you might do when you start out, but as you get more and more into it, you realise that XCM stands on it's own as a separate art.

I imagine Stevebo knows a 'card location' trick or two, but as an XCM'er, he would never try and mix the trick with XCM.

ok maybe the card location wasnt the best example to use but the point remains that from a magic point of view this is a waste of time and energy. to me the whole point of magic is for things to happen "magically" (from a specs view of course) and not due to a dozen or so fancy shuffles or cuts. ok dont get me wrong theres a degree of skill involved in this but its just purely showing off for showing offs sake.. its like comparing the driving skills of Schumaker with the little gimps in corsas doing burnouts in tesco carparks

You've hit the nail on the head there, though still connecting the two sides. They are separate. XCM is XCM, and magic is magic.

You wouldn't go to an XCM show and expect to see magic tricks with the cards. You would be going basically, as you pointed out, to see someone showing off for showing off's sake with the cards.

It is a waste of time and energy to include XCM in card tricks. The true XCM'ers, like De'vo for example, started out in card magic but then moved onto (or developed in his case) XCM. You wouldn't go to a De'vo show and see an ambitious card routine, or Dream of Aces, or even an Elmsley Count.

What you would see is some Xtreme Card Manipulation, which is what you'd be paying your money for. You'd see some killer Cobra Cuts, Flipbacks, all sorts of fans, perching and tons of other flourishes, but no magic tricks.

So what im getting at is why post it on a magic forum?...lol

Ah, I see.

I guess there's a few people here, me included, who like magic, but also like XCM. This is a good place for us to share our skill with magic and our skill with cards.

Most people get to XCM through magic, and fans of XCM meet on magic forums such as this one. Talkmagic is a good place to share your vids, and so long as they are magic / card related, that's OK. I always enjoy watching them.

the_mog wrote:ok maybe the card location wasnt the best example to use but the point remains that from a magic point of view this is a waste of time and energy. to me the whole point of magic is for things to happen "magically" (from a specs view of course) and not due to a dozen or so fancy shuffles or cuts. ok dont get me wrong theres a degree of skill involved in this but its just purely showing off for showing offs sake.. its like comparing the driving skills of Schumaker with the little gimps in corsas doing burnouts in tesco carparks

I can understand your point, but I don't think it is like comparing Schumaker to whatever you said And yes, it is for showing offs sake, but what is magic???? I would say that is showing off also. Finding a card or making a card disappear I would call showing off, because not everybody can do it in a flash like we can

I also like watching XCM as Mark said. I find it facinating what can actually be done with a deck of cards.