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Postby dfitz1000 » Feb 14th, '06, 22:10



Right, time for a new video.

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This is almost impossible to film on video on my own, but I think in a real performance can be a real miracle. I would perform this with a suggestion/hypnotic type presentation. It is my own creation (it's probably been done before by someone, but I'm not aware of it).
Enjoy! (You'll all figure it out, there's a few mistakes, but in real performance, there would be no heat on your hands)

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Postby Demitri » Feb 14th, '06, 23:00

Interesting idea. Just be careful. You had some major flashes which you need to watch out for. Also, the fact that you take the deck completely out of frame right before the reveal is very telling.

I have to say I think this can have some problems with a spectator. You hand them the cards to deal - but you have to take the deck back in order to show them the card they stopped at? To me, this is incredibly suspicious.

I sometimes do a similar thing with an ACR routine, depending on the situation. It's a nice way to really mess with a specs head. I'm not sure if you're interested, but I can give you some ideas on how I present this, which (I think, anyway) covers the need to handle the deck before the reveal.

Basically, the entire effect plays out like you did. I do the move - and hand the spec the deck and ask them to shuffle it as often as they'd like. When they're done, I tell them to put the deck on the table and cut it into two piles on the table.

Not having them complete the cut, I think, covers me for what I need to do next. My hands go to both piles as I discuss what has happened. My one hand pulls the top half of the deck aside, while my other hand pushes the cut portion right to them. It's a touchy move, I know - but for me it works more than taking the deck completely in the hand and then handing it back to them.

Hope that helps. Just work on your cover a bit and you'll be golden.

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Postby ultimatecreate » Feb 14th, '06, 23:14

A cool trick, but have to agree on the flashes. I think as magicians we are far more adept at spotting these things then the average spectator, but hey - practice makes permanent.

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Postby dfitz1000 » Feb 14th, '06, 23:23

You hand them the cards to deal - but you have to take the deck back in order to show them the card they stopped at?


Well, in actual performance, there's no need for me to do this, I have another way, actually fairly similar to your suggestion.

I know there was two major flashes, but the way I do this effect, I really play it up, and the cards are really only a tool to prove how suggestible people are, and how I can make them stop wherever I want them to, so the cards are such a tiny part, the attention is never really on them or me. Also, all of the dirty work happens on the offbeat, so I'm not worried about the flashes, I really don't think I'll be caught while all the attention is elsewhere.
Thanks for the comments guys.

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Postby katrielalex » Feb 15th, '06, 00:20

Nice...a couple of ideas though...

First, I would take the time to learn a one-hand move - it's worth it because of the misdirection you can generate using the other hand, e.g. ask whether they can deal cards (mime dealing) and do the move at the same time.

Second, you need a better idea than taking the deck back and dealing the selection yourself. I had a few ideas here but none are really good. The first was to ask them to put the deck down and do the next move as you gesture at the pile of cards on the table and make some inane comment. The second is a bit more ballsy: as you ask them to put the deck aside just do the next move onto the messy pile itself. The card should be unnoticeable if the pile was dealt messily. And finally, you could have asked a second spectator to deal the cards and then be taking the deck back to ask the original one to turn over the next card.

That's a bit of a muddle as it's late for me so if it doesn't make sense or if I have said too much please excuse me.

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Postby Beardy » Feb 15th, '06, 11:18

it isn't bad though? i do a similar effect to this which everybody loves - although it does take more practice to make it not "noticable" ;)

If you learn the second deal, do the "shuffle" you did and start second dealing yourself, and ask them to say stop.

If however, you do want them to deal, i would recomend what katrie said, as in just "point" to the messy pile and do the move then. I have done that often when i...errrm...."help myself out" when playing poker ;) (do your move, and then let them cut the pack, and undo the move on top of the deck ;))

but not a bad idea overall, a couple of tweaks here and there, and this could turn into a really astonishing trick!

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Postby dfitz1000 » Feb 15th, '06, 15:05

Well, there's no need for second dealing, because I think the beauty is that the spectator deals the cards themselves. When it comes to replacing the card, I usually take the deck from the spectator with the 'clean' hand (you know what I mean :roll: ), and hand them to someone else, and tel them to hold onto them. While doing this, I lean over the table, and replace the card. The large motion of handing the deck to someone else covers the move, and also my body leaning over the table covers it asswell.
Another way of doing it would be to push the cards on the table towards the spectator and say 'here, I don't even want to touch the cards'. A bit bold, but...

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Postby katrielalex » Feb 15th, '06, 18:17

P.S. I made myself a quick video of the effect using the one-hand move and then pushing the pile towards the spectator. It works really well - if you do the move just as you gesture to them to ask them to deal the cards it's very hard to watch the guilty hand. Also, doing the other move onto the pile is very easy but possibly suspicious as the pile will be noticeably different. I wonder if it would be possible to start to square them, then say, "No, I'm not going to touch them.".

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Postby ace of kev » Feb 15th, '06, 18:18

Could you post it Kati?

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Postby katrielalex » Feb 15th, '06, 20:48

Um, I deleted it but I'd be happy to refilm it, give me an hour or so.

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Postby ace of kev » Feb 15th, '06, 23:23

:lol: Okay :D

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Postby katrielalex » Feb 16th, '06, 09:41

Sorry it took so long but it's here...

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Postby Beardy » Feb 16th, '06, 10:07

I like that one. Your pass wasn't bad, except that it was done maybe a split second earlier than it really should have been. It is well done, and fluent, but you could see the deck "angling" to get ready.

Other than that, I feel it was very good.

Anyway, back to the original topic - after seeing this version...

Maybe if you square up the deck while doing the "move" instead of pushing the deck towards the spectator? I thought it did look a bit obvious, but maybe it was because I knew what was going to happen? I dunno... It's a thought though :P

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Postby Tomo » Feb 16th, '06, 10:29

I didn't know what was going to happen, but my focus was still on the undealt portion of the deck, so I spotted the [rather nice] move. When the, shall we say, addition is made to the pile, I knew something was different because the pattern the cards made on the table changed. I'd say, rather than creating a pile, create a more tidy packet and make the addition with a squaring move. Do you think getting the spec to check the number of cards you deal would perhaps re-focus his attention sufficiently to be a good cover for the move?

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Postby katrielalex » Feb 16th, '06, 10:58

I agree about the pass - it works better at a sharper angle though so the spectators are looking down on the deck.

I see what you mean about the undealt pile - there is definitely a noticeable difference. I'd have to try the effect a couple of times to see if specators are really as stupid as I'd hoped but I think you're probably right that it needs some type of squaring motion to cover it.

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