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Postby connor o'connor » Nov 12th, '06, 09:35



jimothefreatest wrote

[url]i have read corinda's "amazing memory test" trick, and it doesn't seem to be a trick that would particularly amaze my friends...[/url]

Have you tried it?

There are main two ways of remembering a list of items, the first is to remember them in a string, as a story in order. The second is to us a method like in corrinders 13 steps, this allows you to remember instantly any object at any number in the list. In the 13 steps corrinder shows how to do it for a list of thirty objects but it is very easy to extend yourself.

This is my strongest ever stand alone / no props / do anyware routine, it always stuns people, and when asked how I do it I say a magician must train his mind. They know there is no other way the trick could be done.

My system taken straight from the 13 steps allows 65 objects to be remembered. This allows me to do the knights tour from any square they chose whilst blindfolded with no trickery at all. 8)

Add these two feats to memorising a deck in sixty seconds, the magic square etc and these last two effects are never questioned.

one pen one peice of paper and you have a twenty minute routine.

To sum up if you just want to learn one memory feat because you are not into mnumonics but would just like a quick dabble then learn the corrinder way as this will give you a vast amount of material from just one mnumonic learnt. Plus this takes up just one chapter in an amazing book so you get the rest for free. :lol:

ps to present on stage produce a bag of cards all different for people to choose. You try getting a group of people to name 50 different things quickly with no duplication.
if you have 500 cards in the bag then the trick is no less diluted but the speed of presentation is kept up.
If anyone else has presentation tips please please let me know.

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Postby bronz » Nov 12th, '06, 11:01

If anyone's interested Derren goes into useful detail on memory techniques in his new book (Tricks of the Mind), including the Loci system and ways to remember long list quickly in the manner described above. It's a very interesting and amusing read too, get it now.

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Postby Renato » Nov 12th, '06, 11:02

I agree with connor, every time I do the Amazing Memory Test - and I only do it with twenty items bear in mind - it gets AMAZING reactions. Especially when you rattle them all off backwards at the end. Don't underestimate it :wink:.

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Postby JackWright » Nov 12th, '06, 11:30

yes, i agree, I have been doing that quite a lot lately.

As previously mentioned Derren goes into detail in his new book Tricks of the Mind about various memory techniques including loci and what is branded 'the linking system'. I still have no idea how he does rapid counting though..... :?:

Some useful links are:
http://www.thememorypage.net/
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http://www.vlaardingen.net/~tom/Mainmenu.htm (previously stated)

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Postby Kitsune » Nov 12th, '06, 16:21

connor o'connor wrote:jimothefreatest wrote

[url]i have read corinda's "amazing memory test" trick, and it doesn't seem to be a trick that would particularly amaze my friends...[/url]

Have you tried it?

There are main two ways of remembering a list of items, the first is to remember them in a string, as a story in order. The second is to us a method like in corrinders 13 steps, this allows you to remember instantly any object at any number in the list. In the 13 steps corrinder shows how to do it for a list of thirty objects but it is very easy to extend yourself.

This is my strongest ever stand alone / no props / do anyware routine, it always stuns people, and when asked how I do it I say a magician must train his mind. They know there is no other way the trick could be done.

My system taken straight from the 13 steps allows 65 objects to be remembered. This allows me to do the knights tour from any square they chose whilst blindfolded with no trickery at all. 8)

Add these two feats to memorising a deck in sixty seconds, the magic square etc and these last two effects are never questioned.

one pen one peice of paper and you have a twenty minute routine.

To sum up if you just want to learn one memory feat because you are not into mnumonics but would just like a quick dabble then learn the corrinder way as this will give you a vast amount of material from just one mnumonic learnt. Plus this takes up just one chapter in an amazing book so you get the rest for free. :lol:

ps to present on stage produce a bag of cards all different for people to choose. You try getting a group of people to name 50 different things quickly with no duplication.
if you have 500 cards in the bag then the trick is no less diluted but the speed of presentation is kept up.
If anyone else has presentation tips please please let me know.


Yes, exactly, it's also all explained in the link I provided earlier, the first one is referred to The Link System as in remembering something in a chain or link and the second one is referred to as The Peg System, to learn to convert numbers into words and then linking those words to the word you're trying to remember. (You must first learn about The Phonetic Alphabet)

I've read this yesterday entirely and it's so easily explained I understood it straight away, and I was amazed at what I could remember using these techniques.

I strongly recommend reading this site entirely: http://www.vlaardingen.net/~tom/Mainmenu.htm

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Postby magicofthemind » Nov 30th, '06, 10:31

It's amazing what you can do with the peg system. I memorised 300 tax cases years ago for an exam using a phonetic system from an old book by Tony Buzan (I don't think it's in his current books). I also use the link system for remembering passages which I have to deliver from memory.

The explanation in Derren's new book is given very well, though Harry Lorayne's books go into more detail and give some specific memory "tricks". Dominic O'Brien's books show how far you can go with the method of loci.

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Postby IAIN » Nov 30th, '06, 10:35

..and don't forget that you can do some very impressive fake-memory looking effects with the good old one ahead principle...

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Postby Tomo » Nov 30th, '06, 11:25

"Mind Performance Hacks", which I'm sure I reviewed but even Google can't find now, has a section covering 12 memory techniques.

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Re: Derren Brown And Good Memory

Postby Marvell » Nov 30th, '06, 12:39

andreasolsson wrote:In "The Heist" Derrem learns them how to remember 20 different words and in what order they are.
And in an episode of "Trick Of The Mind" he learns a guy to count some candy on a table really fast.

Does anyone know if he teaches this anywhere or if it can be learned at any other place?


Derren Brown's book Tricks of the Mind outlines the method completely. I can still remember: telephone sausage monkey book ... all the way up to 20 items. The section on memory is fascinating.

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Postby connor o'connor » Dec 3rd, '06, 19:04

abraxus wrote

abraxus wrote:..and don't forget that you can do some very impressive fake-memory looking effects with the good old one ahead principle...


This is a good point. Don't always use amazing memory stand alone, used at the begining of your 'mind feats' set it gives even more credability to the tricks that come after.
I nearly always use it as a set up for the truly blatent tricks that follow. It is a very powerful tool for this.

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Postby pcwells » Dec 3rd, '06, 20:15

I just got tickets for Derren Brown's performance at Eastbourne in June (which gives me plenty of time to book a babysitter).

Front row centre.

WooHoo! (I'm excited).

Sorry. Didn't know where else to post this.

Carry on... ;)

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Postby Marvell » Dec 12th, '06, 01:01

pcwells wrote:I just got tickets for Derren Brown's performance at Eastbourne in June


Where did you get tickets. Ticketmaster does not list them.

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Postby resdog » Dec 12th, '06, 15:31

There used to be an info-mercial type show in America (not sure if it's still on) called Amazing Discoveries. Basically, it was an info-mercial but looked like a talk show. Anyway, there was this product by Kevin Trudeau called "Mega Memory." During the show, he took one person and gave them 20 words, then took them backstage to teach him the memory system for 10 minutes. So this person had to memorize 20 words in 10 minutes. And he recited them all, frontwards, backwards, they would calll a number, and he would say the word. I thought that was pretty cool, so I bought the product (it was a series of audio tapes). And the first lesson teaches the 20 word quick memorization. And it didn't use the memory pegs. It was association. here were the 20 words:

1 - tree
2 - light switch
3 - stool
4 - car
5 - glove
6 - gun
7 - dice
8 - skate
9 - cat
10 - bowling ball
11 - goal post
12 - eggs
13 - witch
14 - diamond
15 - paycheck
16 - chocolate
17 - magazine
18 - voting booth
19 - golf club
20 - pack of cigarettes

Now at first glance, it doesn't look that easy, but it was all about about associating the number and the word. For example, 2 was light switch, so just remember that a light switch has two positions, on and off. 10 is bowling ball, just remember there are 10 pins in bowling, and you bowl 10 frames.

Each of those words are easy to remember. This was 11 years ago that I listened to those tapes, and I still remember all 20 words.

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Postby Marvell » Dec 12th, '06, 15:35

Derren Brown does it totally differently. He does it in a way that you remember them relative to eachother, not by index. Thouhg by index is very useful, if not more impressive.

Indexing 19 seems hard though, unless you make a word for 19. "Log", say.

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Postby Marvell » Dec 12th, '06, 15:37

Or leg. A golf club for a leg :)

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