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Demitri wrote:

pdjamez wrote:I would agree this would work better with patter, but either you don't know this effect, or I'm missing your point. The spade display is vernons original handling, you can derive what you will from that fact...

I've been performing this effect for quite some time, but I feel perhaps my point may have been misunderstood.

I was simply talking about consistency of the movement. This was just a personal preference that I wanted to share. I have always found that particular replacement of the ace of spades to be a suspicious move. The turnover to show the ace of spades is very casual and offhanded. However, turning the packet face up and THEN pulling out and turning the ace of spades over seems too overt (to me). I think the move is unusual and out of place. As a result, I prefer the more casual approaches (much like the handling Ammar uses), where the movement is more consistent with the original turnover.

Demitri, fair enough, misunderstanding cleared up. It just seemed a little odd criticizing a Vernon effect using a Vernon principle. I can see why you would have an issue with the turnover, but for me this is covered by the patter.

Before you think me a complete pedantic b*****, imagine you were talking to someone who didn't know why the turnover occurs in this way. If you interpret your comments in this context, you'll hopefully see where I was coming from.

As always, my misunderstanding.

pdjamez wrote:

Scriptorilsky wrote:Thanks for the comments.

pdjamez wrote:This handling differs from the one in Inner Secrets, where did you get it from; Stars of Magic? There are some really nice touches in there, although I prefer a false show prior to the final revelation.

I just have a clip with the instruction on this particular trick, I don't know where it was published. Nice idea about the false show ata the end. I would have never thought of that one myself.

I take back what I said about studying the masters. What was the name of the video, DVD, or was it just a random download from the internet?

Oh, no need to take it back. I did study his work (Inner card trilogy, more inner secrets etc.). I was just saying the patter I use is from this video clip that my friend gave to me. (it's from the internet I suppose). I did find out about the trick from The More Inner Secrets I believe.

I don't have Vernon's revelations dvd set (it's impossible to get it in my country and I don't do net shopping). I suppose the trick is explained there.

You see IMHO the thing is... sometimes it's good to combine a master's book material with a video of anyone who performes the effect correctly just to get a visual idea of the trick.

Scr

Scriptorilsky wrote:

pdjamez wrote:

Scriptorilsky wrote:Thanks for the comments.

pdjamez wrote:This handling differs from the one in Inner Secrets, where did you get it from; Stars of Magic? There are some really nice touches in there, although I prefer a false show prior to the final revelation.

I just have a clip with the instruction on this particular trick, I don't know where it was published. Nice idea about the false show ata the end. I would have never thought of that one myself.

I take back what I said about studying the masters. What was the name of the video, DVD, or was it just a random download from the internet?

Oh, no need to take it back. I did study his work (Inner card trilogy, more inner secrets etc.). I was just saying the patter I use is from this video clip that my friend gave to me. (it's from the internet I suppose). I did find out about the trick from The More Inner Secrets I believe.

I don't have Vernon's revelations dvd set (it's impossible to get it in my country and I don't do net shopping). I suppose the trick is explained there.

You see IMHO the thing is... sometimes it's good to combine a master's book material with a video of anyone who performes the effect correctly just to get a visual idea of the trick.

Scr

Sorry Scr, I thought we were about to get into a I learned it from some guy off the internet type moment. It is becoming rather common around these parts. Although the false show is in Vernons original handling.

Keep it up. More Vernon effects around here would be IMHO a good thing.

Hmm...I'm only getting audio...Will you upload it to YouTube if that's not too much of an inconvenience? If you can't, that's fine, too.

You can download the vid here: http://uploadfile.putfile.com/videos/18206430933.avi

and if it's a problem I will upload it on youtube.

Btw get mozilla firefox

It's saying that there is an error when downloading the codec so I can't view it...I can only hear audio.

Here's the youtube url: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ostxEGXfbog

Wow. Excellent job with that. One word of advice is to slow down a little. When you make the reveal of the card really draw it out. Other than that extremely nice job. Well done.

That is very nice yes, I couldn't see it on putfile either. My tuppence worth is that without patter some of the handling does look a bit suspect, if you can get hold of Ammar's Easy to Master Card Miracles vol 1 (possibly 2) in Croatia then go for it as the handling of the trick that he teaches on there is very good, it's where I learned it from and I do it a lot.

One little tip I have is that this is a good trick to do to awkward specs who reckon they can see what you're doing. I go through the trick as normal, ignoring all their comments about how they can see the card turning over when you twist (!) and so forth, then do the final revelation and hold the fan of cards towards them. More often than not they'll grab it from your hands with a smug grin, then proceed to discover the cleverly gimmicked cards which they knew you were using all along. Except they're just normal cards. This makes people very angry sometimes, and me very happy.

Thanks for the tip. I only have Easy To MAster CM vol 1 - and there's no Twisting Aces, just Vernon's Triumph, so yes... it is on vol 2 and I will try to get it because I'm very anxious to see Ammar's handling on the effect.

Scr

I can pm you the differences if you like, they're not significant but they do make the trick a bit more consistent in my opinion.

I would like you to do so please. If it's not a problem.

Oh and while I'm in a video posting mood, here's a link to something I recorded a while ago to show someone else http://media.putfile.com/ace-pop-out. It's a move I came up with to produce the aces a bit more visually, the video is quite quick and rubbish because I was doing it in a hurry but see what you think...

Oh, I see, nice pop out move.