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Hi, i started practacing this a while ago, and spent hrs trying to perfect the knack of doing the second deal. My only wory now is that have i practiced myself into a bad habit of not using the exact correct technique and going round in vicious circles. I can do the first 2 or 3 cards but still seems messy and loose the "knack" after that. Has anyone else had the same problems.
I know that it is an incrediby hard slight to master properly and im not looking for a short term solution.
My main sorce for the method came from "Expert Card Technique" can anyone sugest a good book, soley for this sleight?

Hi Andy.
In the ENCYCLOPEDIA OF CARD TRICKS. ( Author:JEAN HUGARD, JJ CRIMMINS , Publisher: FOULSHAM )

There is some information regarding a gimmicked card that Vernon used to aid him in seconds.
youl find it here, but it is available in most good book shops.

It is a very good book to have on your shelf anyway, with nearly 500 pages, packed with pure gold from some of the true masters of card magic.


http://www.virginbooks.com/go/Books_149510.html

The problem with a second deal, especially when being used at speed, is that I think everyone needs to adopt a different method owing to the size and span of your dealing grip.

Also, as with many of these type of sleight - it is ESSENTIAL to use nice clean and fresh cards both when practising AND performing.

As far as further reading goes - I can recommend without any doubt Ed Marlo's Revolutionary Card Technique. Don't know where you'd get a copy, but it's worth hunting down. In it are three chapters dedicated soley to second deals, centre deals and bottom deals - plus numerous other chapters covering a complete advanced card course.

Highly recommended - but slightly more advanced than the book mentioned by Dale.

Cheers, i may pick up a copy of th "encyclopedia of card tricks" today, i know where i can get that one as for the Ed Marlo book after reading the review it sounds like my type of book, I'll definately hbe getting that one in the near future, Cheers again and ill tell you how i get on.

Also, as with many of these type of sleight - it is ESSENTIAL to use nice clean and fresh cards both when practising AND performing.

I highly disagree, I often use cards I've used for months, possibly years, in other words, they are sticky and beat up. Yes, for some techniques it's more difficult, but it's good to practice and learn to use whatever cards you might be handed. A push-off deal is more difficult than a strike deal in this sense so you can factor that into your considerations, but you definitely don't need nice new cards.

As far as further reading goes - I can recommend without any doubt Ed Marlo's Revolutionary Card Technique.

The Magic Depot and numerous other online retailers were selling it not too recently, and yes, it's an essential resource with great value.

Bill Simon's "Card Magic for Amateurs and Professionals" is inexpensive and has a whole chapter on the second deal including an excellent description on how to learn it.

It's where I learned it, after being recommended the book by Roy Walton.

Ultimately, Simon Lovell's book "Second To None" was the book for me - it is completely devoted to the second deal and it's many variations, including strike deals, stud deals, push off, one handed and so on.

I think Kaymar Magic still carry it - it comes as two books, one with the text and the other with the pictures, and is in my opinion, the best resource to learn from.

Hope that helps,

Liam.

TheCount wrote:Also, as with many of these type of sleight - it is ESSENTIAL to use nice clean and fresh cards both when practising AND performing.

I highly disagree, I often use cards I've used for months, possibly years, in other words, they are sticky and beat up. Yes, for some techniques it's more difficult, but it's good to practice and learn to use whatever cards you might be handed. A push-off deal is more difficult than a strike deal in this sense so you can factor that into your considerations, but you definitely don't need nice new cards.

For someone who was just beginning with the second deal, I recommend the new cards. You'll learn the technique much sooner, and can then move onto using older decks (assuming you ever get handed a deck of cards at a show - I certainly haven't).

I certainly wouldn't recommend starting out with the sleight using a old deck - you'd just be making a difficult task harder.

Liam.

Montz

Good point, fairly new cards are certainly the easiest (brand new are slightly too slippery), eventually it's a good idea to learn to use all types of cards though.

Thanks for the clarification.

Expert at the Card Table is probably the best way to learn second dealing. If you realy want to learn it and aren't getting anywhere right now, you might want to check it out.

phantom at the card table book has a nice section at the back about it, as well as centre deals and bottoms (matron)...very good book indeed for historical purposes and how childish some magicians were even back then...

its about S.W. Erdnase and Dai Vernon amongst others...