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Hey Everyone, I'm looking for a trick or two by Derren brown and I was wondering if you could help me oot:

1) On Tricks of the mind he does a trick to a couple in which a girl freely chooses a card and through strong patter and mixing they both choose the identical card from the deck without looking.... 7 of hearts...I think this would work great in a table hopping routine with a couple.

2) The trick in which he can tell how many fingers are behind peoples back or in their pockets even, just by focusing...


If anyone could help me out with these I would be greatly appreciated. Thanks

Sorry, this is not a reveal site.

I think he may be looking for a book to learn from.

Yes, I don't support exposure at all, I'm simply looking for a source...I already have Pure Effect but I'm only about half way through it, I don't think it mentioned either of these that's why I was asking in advance. Thanks.

perhaps buy derren brown's books then?
although I'm sure there's 100 different ways of making 2 people take the same card out of a deck.

I have Pure Effect, But I'm not about to dish out $100's of dollars on his random books although I'm sure they are good looking fo rone effect without being certain they are in it.... I know there are some ways but he hands them two individual decks...tells them to check them out as they rainbow spreadthem across the table and they are completely normal...Then they put them under the table, shuffle and turn whichever card feels right to them over in the deck, before this however he asked the girl to choose any card and she chose the 7 of hearts....They both end up turning the seven of hearts over in the deck, the patter was along the lines of loved ones since they were together a long time....It was a great trick.

I think it was the three of diamonds, in which case it sounds like you want the first psychological force at the back of Pure Effect. Be aware though that it is a psychological force, and therefore not guaranteed to work. It'll depend on the patter you wrap around it, and some luck.

No I thought of that two, that one he used a crowd and did a different trick, I'm positive this one was the 7 of hearts as she got a free choice...They both chose any card they liked, I don't think it was a psychological force....

Sounds like a case of dual reality, then.

Ya I keep hearing of Dual Reality, where can I find out about it?

Lawrence wrote:perhaps buy derren brown's books then?
although I'm sure there's 100 different ways of making 2 people take the same card out of a deck.

There are endeed a number of different methods, however none is as far as I remember discussed by Derren (certainly not in pure effect). Also in my view Derren is quite good at adding smoke and focusing quite a lot on the psycological issues. I am amazed how many magicinas buy this stuff when often simple explanations are availeble. Derren has used more than one method for what you decribe. In one version he asked the spectators to choose a card (psycological force?). Then the other spectator was asked to reverse any card - below the table. A deck with 51 DB cards + 1 normal card would do the job and is as far as I rember consistent with what I watched. I am not writting this to revial anything, but to inspire you to come you with your own methods.

He did another version of the effect which looked very impressive and where I am not sure of the method, though I have a (most likely false) conjecture. Not sure where to direct you. Maybe the method he used on that occation has not been publiched, but the plot is certrainly well known and I think there is a version (though possible not the same) in 13 steps.

Thanks for the advice I know he wasn't using the first method you described because they bother examined there decks back and front...It's hard to describe , maybe there will be a video of it on the net somewheres...Also has anyone had infinite success with hiw smoke routine?

I've not had success with Smoke, but I'm so going to.

I know of the trick he is refering to and it is indeed baffling. It was Jonathan Ross and his wife Jane participating in the trick. Jane thinks of the 7 of hearts first off, and they each have a deck of cards spread on the table in new deck order, so they could see that all the cards were present. Next Jonathan and Jane took their decks and shuffled them under the table while Derren talked about coincidences. He instructed them both to take a card out of the deck under the table without them looking at it and turn it over in the deck (so they didn't even know themselves which card they were turning over). When the decks were brought back to the surface of the table and spread out they both had the 7 of hearts turned over.

Mahoney wrote:I know of the trick he is refering to and it is indeed baffling. It was Jonathan Ross and his wife Jane participating in the trick. Jane thinks of the 7 of hearts first off, and they each have a deck of cards spread on the table in new deck order, so they could see that all the cards were present. Next Jonathan and Jane took their decks and shuffled them under the table while Derren talked about coincidences. He instructed them both to take a card out of the deck under the table without them looking at it and turn it over in the deck (so they didn't even know themselves which card they were turning over). When the decks were brought back to the surface of the table and spread out they both had the 7 of hearts turned over.

OK I watched the last part of this (missed the beginning). I think a major point to understand in this type of effect is that there exists such things as decks with 51 DF cards plus one single 7 of hearts. The "only" non-trivial problem (besides showmanship) is to force Jane to pick the 7 of hearts. Here I suppose what was shown on TV might differer slightly from exactly what happened in the TV studio. Moderators please delete if you consider my "explanation" exposure. I am not quite sure it is (in the sense that a lay person would understand what I am talking about), but please delete (or move to secret section) if this is too much.