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what do you think about this guy. i just got a shirt made of him today. i think hes pretty cool, or maybe its just the whole teen anarchist thing kicking in:P just turned 14 yesterday

i want to get into mentalism so is there anything i should read into, i am already familiar with cold reading and such but i donno what i should get.

Having been in Cuba for my honeymoon last August, I did a lot of reading about Che, Castro, Marxism etc.

The picture you probably have is the one by Korda... which has been on T-shirts, badges and jackets for ages... usually posterised. I actually bought an oil painting in Cuba, a replica of the original. Dunno why, it just looked good!

There's a lot of interesting history behind Che. I suggest you have a read!

As for mentalism, search for mentalism on this forum, and check out Craig Browning's 'sticky'

Che has been romanticised since his attempts to spread revolution in Latin America and Africa (Angola). He tried to develop a 'foco' strategy which was a highly concentrated set of attacks on the state to bring about revolution. He was perceived as a great threat to the US and has achieved iconic status as a symbol of resistance. He has also become a fashion symbol mostly adopted by the anti-globalisation movement, but was very popular among leftist circles more generally. I have seen the image on shirts, cups, and even on the walls of cafes in Europe.

It would be good to do a mentalism effect using the great revolutionary figures from world history...hmmm....

I don't mean to make this a personal thing, but this kind of situation just bothers me.

Exactly what is it you like about Che? I'm going to say there's not much - especially considering you mentioned the "anarchist" in you, when Che was not an anarchist by any stretch of the imagination.

Opinions of him will vary greatly, depending upon the person giving it. I'm assuming much of your exposure would be of a positive nature, otherwise you wouldn't be wearing his face on a t-shirt. Just wondering what you've heard/learned about him, and what you like.

I quite agree with Demitri.

After reading about Che, and studying his rise and gruesome fall, I don't actually feel that I'd say he was a hero figure.

Since I returned from Cuba, I've noticed 'Che' logos and T-shirts being worn in the UK... I can't see what people's motivation for this really is.

I think if you're associating Che with anarchy, rebellion etc. you may be on the wrong end of the ideals he stood for.

I really urge you to look into it! It's educational, and culturally you may find much of what has gone on in his life to be quite shocking.

For sure, wear your Che t-shirt, but try and get some idea of what it means.

From the Mark Steele on him, it's clear he was a brutal man seeing as how he was a doctor. He also used to write letters to the newspapers complaining about how easy the chess problems were.

I also enjoyed the film about his early years and how he found his calling.

Diarios de motocicleta (The Motorcycle Diares)

That is good film! Inspired me and my Dad to spend 2 weeks last Easter riding around India on a Royal Enfield. Great stuff.

But I have to echo Demitri and Seige - it irks me slightly that so many sub-culture folk plaster him across their walls, wear t-shirts etc. and actually know very little about him. You may be surprised. Yes, he was a revolutionary... he also shocked his friends with his brutality. Read up first.

These t's and posters go right back to the 60's. At one point anyone who thought he was a little bit of a rebel had chey's poster on his bedroom wall. I would not wear a t with an image on it unless I knew what the story behind that image was. Read a little about the guy and if you like what you read then wear the t, Also you will be able to answer anyone who asks you why you are wearing it.

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oh no i have done alot of reading, and he definatly shouldnt be assoaciated me anarchy in any way. it comes down to he looks super cool so i got a shirt made yesterday i hope its gonna be sweet. it cost me 50 bucks canadian.

oo and some more good news.
the guy at the magic shop was feeling sick and wanted to go home so i asked him how much IT i could get for a ten dollars and he gave me the whole spool. its like 200 feet of thread and a big honin piece of magicians wax

Hsitory is plauged by "icons" where people think he was cool or she was doing good. But at the end of the day was romatcised by his supporters. I wont mention anyone in case i upset other forum members. But a certian Irish rock star...is on a long list of people I think are sainted that shouldnt be.

Was just thinking thoses who are a bit older. Wolfy Smith now there was a true revolitonary. "Power to the people"

"Freedom for Tooting!"

"Foxy dear"... Ah classic. And probley the best role he ever done.

You mean he wasn't like David Essex singing 'Oh what a circus' etc? Bummer. Altogether now:

Salve regina mater misericordiae
Vita dulcedo et spes nostra
Salve salve regina
Ad te clamamus exules filii Eva
Ad te suspiramus gementes et flentes
O clemens o pia

(Someone at the back isn't singing )