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..pushing everyone's b*ll*cks aside...let's not revert to name-calling, or at least, if we are, can we be alittle more inventive please...

you bunch of cod-handlers

i've got a lovely chop chop cup, with surprise buddha statue finale...if people just take it as a display of skill...that's fine...quite a few people see cards the same...but that's my opinion; and there's no shame in displays of skill in the name of entertainment...

there was no need for hendrix to burn his guitar, or pick it with his teeth...but he did, and it was fun, entertaining, and the teeth thing was skillful...and flossed at the same time...

grrrr - it's starting to bug me on this site a little, if its not sniping and arguing over something as simple as an opinion, it's people who've been into magic for 6 months, criticising everything, and then producing nothing themselves...why do people want to be right all the time? if you dont agree, just accept the difference...what's the damn point in arguing?

...so let's move along please...

I'm half dreading the new series of derren brown, cos by the weekend there'll be at least a dozen posts of "how did he do that", "its just camera edits" or other such nonsense...leave the man be...just enjoy it...christ...

though i do predict that he will have a new beard shape...

This being so, I think it's safe to say that the mog is an @rseh@le but I wouldn't go so far as to say he's a prick.

Since you seem to set such store about following the rules etc as shown by your posts about Mr Lewis i would like to take this oppertunity to remind you about rule number 1 in the Talkmagic rules and ettiquette.

1) No abuse of any kind will be tolerated


and i take offence at being called an @rseh@le for nothing more than disagreeing with your opinion.

So lets just take this as a first warning for breach of rules shall we?

I love cups and balls, sponges and all that kind of magic. They're just good fun, I don't think they've got a massive 'freak out factor' that too many people seem to be looking for but they are great fun to both perform and to watch.

I think it all depends on how you perform them, don't take yourself too seriously and have some fun. Perform them as part of a comedy type routine and I don't think you can go wrong with them.

As for b*ll*cks, all this pathetic name calling and playground agrueing is b*ll*cks so lets just pack it in shall we and all get along

i've often been tempted to do the cup and b*ll*cks, sorry..balls with glass eyes instead...

If you can get away with it, I've seen cups and balls done with Cockroaches as a finale in Spain. Not sure how easy the little beggars are to load though!

Seriously, though, cups and balls isn't talked about enough. And with the advent of certain circular handwear items on the market, coupled with the fact that most cups used are aluminium (i.e. non-ferrous), a non-chopcup chopcup is more than possible. Which opens up a few more possibilities.

here's some more...

basil horwitz
annemann as both a card-man and as a mentalist (though the book is self labelled as mental-magic, ha...that'll put the cat amongst the pigeons)...
overlooked sleights
favourite forms of misdirection (im sure a certain pot of jam could help us immensely on that subject)
character/style differences

that's another 5...

Cups and balls is one hell of a trick if it is done properly. It DOES fool people and is a classic for a reason. There must be some reason that it is so often featured by street magicians. Presumably they have discovered the appeal that the trick has.

Even the very simple version that is demonstrated in magic shops and street markets with the little plastic cups is amazing in itself.

People like Johnny Paul and Vernon had routines that would make the eyes pop out with astonishment and it seemed like real magic. Hugard once said that you are not a magician unless you can do the cups and balls. Overstating the case I admit but I do concur with the philosophy behind it.

the_mog wrote:

This being so, I think it's safe to say that the mog is an @rseh@le but I wouldn't go so far as to say he's a prick.

Since you seem to set such store about following the rules etc as shown by your posts about Mr Lewis i would like to take this oppertunity to remind you about rule number 1 in the Talkmagic rules and ettiquette.

1) No abuse of any kind will be tolerated


and i take offence at being called an @rseh@le for nothing more than disagreeing with your opinion.

So lets just take this as a first warning for breach of rules shall we?

Grow up. There is no way you can honestly beleive that you were doing "nothing more than disagreeing with [my] opinion". If that's what you were doing you would have disagreed by saying "I disagree" or put across another point of view. What you actually did was shout "b*ll*cks" at my opinion. There is no social situation in which you could do that without it being considered abuse of some kind. Had the comment been joking or said in a good natured way you would have used some kind of smiley to signify that. If you're going to shout b*ll*cks in someone's direction after they express a serious opinion, at least be man enough to admit it.

My comment was directed related to Tomo's reply, which surely must have been light-hearted unless he's seriously suggesting you were referring to priests. If it's not abuse for you to shout b*ll*cks at me why would be be abuse for me to use a word that is recognised as less offensive? Of course, it isn't acceptable, you were out of order in first place.

I took your PMs telling me to f**K off if I don't like the way you run the forum as my first warning. So I'll take this as my second warning.

Seige. I wasn't 'slating' the cups and balls, far from it. If you read my comments you'll see all I said was that cups and balls were seen more like juggling than magic. The thinking behind it is simple, it is probably the most well-known method in magic. Unlike card magic, which 99% of spectators do not beleive is actual magic but rather sleight of hand, there is little mystery to how the cups and balls are done. They are also extremely difficult to do well. A tiny minority of the audience may actually beleive that the balls magically disappear and reappear but that is a very small minority. This isn't a criticism of cups and balls, let alone a 'slating'.

Whether anyone agrees with my opinion or not, surely it isn't acceptable to shout me down just for expressing them.

I'd definitely like to see some more discussion on the side steal, as well as the gambler's cop. I recently bought a bunch of stuff from Daniel Madison that I reviewed in the Books section that had some good effects using the cop and I've been trying those out with some good results lately.

eugene burger

What a brilliant thinker on the theology of magic. i recently bought his chicago tapes dvd set and magial voyages set

copping
lapping
side steals

These moves are covered well on the Richard Turner dvds (http://www.richardturner52.com/dvd.html) But im afriad im still struggling with the side steal:(

sleeving

I always thought this was a useful technique, although I dont use it. I do have Jeff Sheridans dvds, which do use it.

spirit slates (and new applications)
have a miniture set of slates, but currently cant think of a use for them

Grow up. There is no way you can honestly beleive that you were doing "nothing more than disagreeing with [my] opinion".

i DEFINITELY believe i was disagreeing with your opinion

If that's what you were doing you would have disagreed by saying "I disagree" or put across another point of view

ok.. I disagree.. your talking b*ll*cks

What you actually did was shout "b*ll*cks" at my opinion

thats cos i thought your opinion was b*ll*cks

There is no social situation in which you could do that without it being considered abuse of some kind

yes there is actually... i worked in a Scottish shipyard for 17 years and it was a perfectly acceptable way of showing disagreement with someone

Had the comment been joking or said in a good natured way you would have used some kind of smiley to signify that

it wasnt meant in a jokey way.. i really thought what you said was b*ll*cks

If you're going to shout b*ll*cks in someone's direction after they express a serious opinion, at least be man enough to admit it

ok i admit it... i said b*ll*cks




there are you happy now?

I took your PMs telling me to f**K off if I don't like the way you run the forum as my first warning. So I'll take this as my second warning

firstly i dont run the forum .. i am one of 6 people who moderate the forum and secondly it wasnt a warning.. it was stating a simple fact.. if you dont like this place then you know what you can do

I've been known to use a Marlo Tilt. And I have to agree with the guy that said he loves the top change cause it feels like stealing. I do the 2 card monte a lot and there's some so "I can't believe I just got away with that" about the top change.

another cool, yet tense feeling; those 3-5 seconds while performing a top palm. "hold their eye contact, hold their eye contact... oh, c*** (not the best) that guy over there! hold his eye contact."

the_mog wrote:there are you happy now?

Yes, you've cleared the situation up nicely.

others:

al koran
dunninger
david berglas
pete duffie
the black envelope!
pulls (i've adapted a werry pull, with a little extra something!)
jack avis

so there! never mind the b*ll*cks, where's the magic...

More...

> Holdouts and concealments

> Sleeving, lapping and topits

> Black art (I mean, using black things, not as in 'black magic'

> Methods and performances of our magic forefathers (i.e. how the HECK did Slydini handle those billiard balls)

> Who are they and what have they given us? i.e. before another newbie mentions a restored coke can, ask them who invented it. If they say Blaine, or Wizmo Magic, kick them in the shins

> Performances you've done, a kind of 'magicians diary'

> Marlo

> Chan Canasta

> etc.