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The blank money bit was great great. I loved the idea of the dummy, but it seemed to finish just as it got interesting. It's like watching a film where the plot builds up and then the finish is just rushed.
The ideas are good, but the execution is not very good.

Actually I see them cards and think meh it is not that a clever methood do you think any one will get a treat. All though paying people with paper is a good idea. I need to finish reading sleight of mind.

Next week's pensioner gets a treat, winning a poker tournament or something.

I don't see why everyone's getting so hung up on these cards - he's obviously not that concerned about people noticing them as I can think of far more devious means of forcing the outcome. They're a means to an end after all.

Cardza wrote:I don't see why everyone's getting so hung up on these cards - he's obviously not that concerned about people noticing them as I can think of far more devious means of forcing the outcome. They're a means to an end after all.

Yes, I agree. He obviouisly knew the net nerds (myself included) would notice them but I guess the point is that the people don't, and it doesnt really matter anyway.

As for next week's episode, apparently he teaches an OAP to play poker or something like you say. Should be interesting.

I'd say the point of the trick or treat cards is audience flattery. Part of the sell of Derren Brown is an appreciation of the methods that he uses and the cards seem to be an "entry level" method. It's to allow the audience to imagine themselves in Derren's shoes rather than his volunteers'. I thought this carried through the whole of the dummy episode inasmuch as the "take it" suggestion in the paper money piece led through to the suggestions used to make the dummy trick work.

Your all a bunch of dummies! HAHAHAHAHA Get it? Oh God i crack myself up...

Now...back to my hole...

I loved the Paper money trick...that was hilarious, the smirks on his face as he walked off with what he bought were priceless...

I think you lot are readin too much into the ambigrams thing, i mean it doesn't matter if he forces the right card because at the end of the day, he performs a trick that the use of them cards cannot explain.

I do however feel that your typical skeptic will use the cards as proof of the whole being set up with the use of stooges.

JackWright wrote:Well, the miniroll was in a done-up pocket and I would guess they might notice if a cameraman was coming that close. Also, Nyman is cowriter and executive producer, not a cameraman. Methinks the method will be glaring obvious, but just disguised so well we all miss it.

Was the min roll in a done up pocket? And why would that be an issue? They wouldn't notice a cameraman coming that close because it is the cameraman's job to be there.

I know who Andy Nyman is but there's nothing to stop him standing in as a cameraman. Or anyone else. Anyone could do it if Derren has the guy's full attention.

Tomo wrote:

Misanthropy wrote:How did he know where the airport was? He was a stooge!

Whatever you say, Baby.

Not that he woke up holding instructions, money, his passport and a ticket home or anything, or that they followed him to make sure he was okay.

I was being facetious

I'd have to go back and look (and I'm sort of against doing that) but wasn't Dyson sent back for the last miniroll? Wasn't there a moment (a very brief moment) when no-one's attention was on the plate?

Mr_Grue wrote:I'd have to go back and look (and I'm sort of against doing that) but wasn't Dyson sent back for the last miniroll? Wasn't there a moment (a very brief moment) when no-one's attention was on the plate?

Newp. They all filed in, the last guy took one for himself and put the other in his pocket.

Anyway, as abraxus says, let's leave the man and his methods be

ian69 wrote:

JackWright wrote:Well, the miniroll was in a done-up pocket and I would guess they might notice if a cameraman was coming that close. Also, Nyman is cowriter and executive producer, not a cameraman. Methinks the method will be glaring obvious, but just disguised so well we all miss it.

Was the min roll in a done up pocket? And why would that be an issue? They wouldn't notice a cameraman coming that close because it is the cameraman's job to be there.

I know who Andy Nyman is but there's nothing to stop him standing in as a cameraman. Or anyone else. Anyone could do it if Derren has the guy's full attention.

I agree, but don't think that a cameraman would need to come that close and also have my own ideas about the method, which I obviously can't say here.

Anyway, as Cardza abraxus say, let's leave the man and his methods be

Cardza wrote:Next week's pensioner gets a treat, winning a poker tournament or something.

How do you know this?

Anyway, i saw Derren live last year, and he spent the entire show doing his psychological forcing, daily mail, page 14, 14 inch nail etc. Then at the end of it all, he took great pride in revealing it. I think he may do something similar with the trick/treat ambigrams.

Just by the way, does anyone know what ambigrams are called if they say something different when turned upside down?

About the subject of using stooges, in TOTM, he made a big deal about it never using any stooges. So now people naturally assume that he wont use any. Then why doesnt he say anything like that at the beggining of T/T?

I know this is kind of sadistic, but I loved it when the blank money trick went wrong. When he tried to buy a hotdog, so he had to pay with real money. Imagine if that had happened when he was buying stuff in the jewelry store?

My favourite illusion though was the one in America in ep1. Over the phone he forces the word tricycle. Amazing, but he expected people to be amazed, when he blatently revealed the secret in TOTM. Ive got to admit, even when you know how its done, its an amazing trick.

crozboz wrote:

Cardza wrote:Next week's pensioner gets a treat, winning a poker tournament or something.

How do you know this?

Read it in the Radio Times .

yeah, im all for discussion the enjoyment side of things, but it just gets very irritating (personally speaking) seeing people openly try and reverse engineer someone else's methods...

and even if you hit upon the methods - so what? doesnt make you derren does it!

leave the fella alone...

loved the dummy, and the tension of the painting effect...and im glad he's dissapointing some people, i think its deliberate - perhaps he's fed up with the wanna-be's..quite right too...

Cardza wrote:

crozboz wrote:

Cardza wrote:Next week's pensioner gets a treat, winning a poker tournament or something.

How do you know this?

Read it in the Radio Times .

Damnit, I should read more instead of being glued to my computer all the time.

Thank you.