talkmagic.co.uk

I've been watching video of Darren Brown doing jedi mindtricks on people. What would be some go books to start looking at to learn this kind of thing?

go to tatooine and find ben kenobi

Check out the sticky in Support and Tips...

Problem with the sticky is it's a list with no real explanasion of what's what. There is so many aspects to mentalism. I was looking for something on "forced suggestion" or what ever that's called. I saw a video of Darren Brown doing this "BMX Bike" trick if you want to call it a trick. Where he forces a suggestion that replaces the persons original memory. I wanted to know where to start with that kind of mentalism.

Django wrote:I saw a video of Darren Brown doing this "BMX Bike" trick if you want to call it a trick. Where he forces a suggestion that replaces the persons original memory. I wanted to know where to start with that kind of mentalism.

It is indeed a trick! Start off with his latest book, Tricks of the Mind. Then move to the realization that what he says he's doing isn't always what he's actually doing. Then you'll be on a roll.

The real problem comes from the idea that you think you will be able to do such things just by reading one book on that particular subject.

The sticky, written by Craig Browning, is generalized and all-encompassing because that's the level of dedication and study that is required to do the kinds of things you're looking for. There's no quick fix. There's no holy grail that will give you instant ability (not to mention the fact that all the books in the world may not do a thing for you, at all).

If you're truly interested in this kind of thing, I suggest taking another look at what Mr. Browning wrote, and start from the beginning.

Django wrote:Problem with the sticky is it's a list with no real explanasion of what's what. There is so many aspects to mentalism. I was looking for something on "forced suggestion" or what ever that's called. I saw a video of Darren Brown doing this "BMX Bike" trick if you want to call it a trick. Where he forces a suggestion that replaces the persons original memory. I wanted to know where to start with that kind of mentalism.

Ok... I'll make a very forced suggestion here...

START AT THE BEGINNING... learn to crawl before running.

What you see Derren do is the result of decades worth of personal study, experimentation, trial & error. On top of that he consults with many of the top people in the industry who have learned to trust him and vice versa as the result of his studying, working at it, and cultivating his own style and approach.

If you could really do what Derren demonstrates (without the creative editing and other "creative" shenanigans that go on behind the scenes) what would you do with it? Why do you honestly want to know it?

Most want to learn it because they lust for power and the ability to control others and not to burst your bubble, it don't do that. Though there are ways of cultivating skills that certainly give you an upper hand in such a scenario, real Jedi Mind Tricks are reserved to paperback novels and the movie screen at present.

To cultivate similar abilities you are looking at some intense schooling in psychology, sociology and effective communications in that this is where the bulk of the "secrets" lay... no real short cuts, sorry.

You could get a jump on things via works the Kenton Knepper's WONDER WORDS and WONDER READINGS along with some of his other offerings as well as the works of Luke Jermay and of course Banachek but the catch is, you haven't learned any of the BASICS e.g. you will become overwhelmed, lost, and very frustrated because you've spent a heck of a lot of money for information you're not ready to exploit.

So, the forced suggestion is quite simple; slow down, take your time and actually LEARN the foundation to it all and learn how to work with it in ways that move you closer to your goals while NOT mimicking Derren, Criss, or David or any of the other current shooting starts of magic... be novel and do things that aren't the same as everyone else and who knows... you might just be the guy some kid is watching on TV in a couple of years asking the same redundant question all the other newbies ask... a question much like the one you've just presented to us.

Django wrote:Problem with the sticky is it's a list with no real explanasion of what's what. There is so many aspects to mentalism. I was looking for something on "forced suggestion" or what ever that's called. I saw a video of Darren Brown doing this "BMX Bike" trick if you want to call it a trick. Where he forces a suggestion that replaces the persons original memory. I wanted to know where to start with that kind of mentalism.

It's an impressive feat, but it's not mentalism.

You'll be able to use the technique of re-anchoring once you get your Master Practitioner certificate in Neurolinguistic Programming. Frankly, you'd be better off going on a stage hypnosis course.

Where did I say that I wanted the 1 book that would make me the greatest mentalist EVER? Wait, these things take practice? This is the first I've heard of such things on this forum! To the rest of you, thanks for your posts they were very helpful.

I've only read a little so far but let me give it a try... *wavy hand gesture*
Demitri thanks for your... justbecausethewordadvancedisnexttoyourname... doesntmeyouhavetotalkdowntopeople... comment too.

Did it work?

Exactly how was I talking down to you? You were pointed in the proper direction, only to say that you were looking for ONE SPECIFIC THING (forced suggestion). To which I replied - there is no 1 book or holy grail on such a topic.

Can you explain how any of that is at all condescending? And for that matter, how is "go to tatooine and find Ben Kenobi NOT talking down to you, but I am?

Not once did I make a comment that was anything remotely sounding like you attempting to be the best mentalist. Not once did I talk down to you. My comment about books possibly not helping is actually the truth. Mentalism is not for everybody - especially to the degree of professionals like Derren Brown and Craig Browning. Beyond knowledge acquired it takes natural ability and confidence - which is not always available.

All I said, quite simply (and in a rather friendly manner) was that you should start from the beginning of the list and see where you wanted to take it.

So, in the future - try not to jump to conclusions. And also remember. Just because someone didn't give you the answer you were looking for, doesn't mean they were being condescending or rude. Maybe...JUST MAYBE....they were just trying to answer the question.

Uh... because Star Wars references are always fun....duh. I don't know I probably just found it condescending in the same way as your whole, "In the future you may want to try not jumping to conclusions" lecture. Way to rebuttal an arguement of how not condescending something was with more condescension. *two thumbs up*

Hey, is sarcasm a form of forced suggestion? 'Cause I've sorta got the hang of that.

Cheers!

in summing up, you will need:
at least 5years worth of stage hypnotism experience
a proper background in mentalism (2-3 years at very least in my opinion)
a proper background in various eriksonian techniques
verbal and mental dexterity
a slice of luck
lots of practise on strangers

im not being sarky saying this, im saying it cos its true...there is no book that will teach you derren-centric effects as such, unless he retires and releases a book details how he did it all...

start at the beginning...otherwise it wont work, nor will it make sense

is "forced suggestion" the latest buzzword? there's been a glut of people asking here with that particular vernacular of late....

Django wrote:because Star Wars references are always fun

Glad you took it how it was meant. i did worry you might think i was taking the p!ss after i'd posted it

Django wrote:Uh... because Star Wars references are always fun....duh. I don't know I probably just found it condescending in the same way as your whole, "In the future you may want to try not jumping to conclusions" lecture. Way to rebuttal an arguement of how not condescending something was with more condescension. *two thumbs up*

Hey, is sarcasm a form of forced suggestion? 'Cause I've sorta got the hang of that.

Cheers!

My, my we are getting a load of testy children in this place of late

First of all, if you feel someone is talking down to you it could be because of how you present yourself as being ignorant on a subject, not wanting to start at the ground floor and EARN your way into the bigger and better things, etc.

Where we do have people that make lots of posts in order to get those silly rankings beside their names I can assure you most of the guys in this forum who have such positions are genuine in their knowledge and experience. Don't let the delusion of things internet fool you and so you aren't made a fool, check the archives and see for yourself who offers the more solid and sound info. You can tell who has been there and is real over those that are BSing their way through things.

You speak of "Assumption" and yet, in your posts you do little to "qualify" yourself as being anything more than another wannabe, in that we get these types of questions and propositions on a weekly basis, it gets very old and we get rather short in dealing with folks who simply don't want to start at the beginning and work their way through things... as I said earlier, short cuts don't exist and those that take them typically fall flat due to a lack of foundation, so buck up a bit and take your time to learn or move on to something else that will give you that instant fix.

I speak of "assuption"? Where? I never used the word once. Gee, Craig, if your expect people to labor through your long winded responses you may want to bother to read the couple sentences you're responding to in the first place.

Wow, the word advanced in your avatar really is starting to look like "the need to talk down to people"

But since this all started at me hoping to get the name of a good book to start with rather than try to make sense of that disorganized verbose sticky you wrote, I guess it's only fitting.

So please, use your "advanced" mentalism powers and make yourself forget I even asked.