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not quite sure if these are my effects (I came up with them but dont know if any1 else has)
here are the Vids:
1. a nice card routine:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NnA9znynyT8

2. a coin and bottle routine I came up with just as I was nodding off:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFXdEDKC ... er&search=

Help please!

me first then? I'm not very experienced, but I'm sorry, looking at both of those it is painfully easy to work out how they are done, pretty sure a lay person wouldn't have much trouble either.

and on a personal note, enjoy spelt enjoi really bugs me, but that's just me

TheAlkhemist07 wrote:2. a coin and bottle routine I came up with just as I was nodding off:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFXdEDKC ... er&search=

I might be wrong, but I think you flashed the penny showing the inside of the bottle "clean"...

I think I'm experiencing Deja vu, at the moment. I could have sworn I've seen those videos before. Oh, well, let me tell you what I think. The card trick is fairly obviousand I think the specs might not be that impressed. The coin through bottle trick is good, except you have to make sure you don't flash anything when presenting the bottle.

That was quite poor really, your no string attached trick that is. Its not original and your card handling skills aren't very good. Learn how to do the basics (card fans) first before you try and make up your own tricks.

Citrus wrote:Learn how to do the basics (card fans) first before you try and make up your own tricks.

Card fans aren't "the basics." There are plenty of magicians out there who can't do one well (myself included). Many magicians choose not to learn impressive flourishes to promote the idea that it's not really sleight of hand but real magic.

Yeah the first one is not that great, the coin in bottle is good though.

Citrus wrote:Learn how to do the basics (card fans) first before you try and make up your own tricks.

Yeah work on your card handling a bit, but there is no reason not to make up your own tricks. You don't need someone's permition to say you are ready to create something.


I like the card rising out but the illusion of it floating is not convincing.

I think the reason for the apparent clumsiness with the fan and the shuffle is the nature of the cards - they're aren't bikes and look like the type you might get from behind a bar and regret doing so! The 'no strings attached' trick is definitely not original - I remember reading that somewhere, the coin in bottle is better executed but I doubt that is original too. I don't know whether your 'copyright' at the end of the video was intended for the actual video itself or for the trick, but if it is for the latter I find it a little pretentious!

There was a coin in that bottle I saw it. That what the lay person would say. Good effort trying to invent stuff I my self dont bother there is always someone out there to do it for me.

The card rising reminds me of the first trick in RRTCM.

RobLaughter wrote:

Citrus wrote:Learn how to do the basics (card fans) first before you try and make up your own tricks.

Card fans aren't "the basics." There are plenty of magicians out there who can't do one well (myself included). Many magicians choose not to learn impressive flourishes to promote the idea that it's not really sleight of hand but real magic.

I realize about xcm not being used my many magicians, however a half decent card fan i think is required. The lack of skill this guy has when it come to merely doing a card fan, implies that hes not ready to start trying to make up his own tricks.

Also no offense but i doubt your card fan can be THAT bad if your a working pro!

I do my fan in this vid.

http://media.putfile.com/Robs-New-Trick

Like most of my sleights and flourishes, I didn't learn it out of a book or from a DVD, but being aware of what the sleight was, I had to picture how it would work and find a way to do it. Ergo, they're pretty much c*** (not the best)...

RobLaughter wrote:I do my fan in this vid.

http://media.putfile.com/Robs-New-Trick

Like most of my sleights and flourishes, I didn't learn it out of a book or from a DVD, but being aware of what the sleight was, I had to picture how it would work and find a way to do it. Ergo, they're pretty much c*** (not the best)...

Your too modest, you've got to admit his fan was nothing like yours. However i was trying to use the example of his lack of ability when it comes to fanning to portray his general level of skill as magician, ie (Eager Newcomer) and i meant that he should learn the basics before trying to come up with his own card tricks because quite frankly 99.99% of those will be awful unless he has the foundation for which tricks are built!

The Coin In Bottle effect is pretty good, and I like the "ditch".

Michael Kras wrote:The Coin In Bottle effect is pretty good, and I like the "ditch".

I would say it was ok, however he needs to be careful when handling it, because he flashed the coin 2-3 times, school boy mistake.

Citrus wrote:i was trying to use the example of his lack of ability when it comes to fanning to portray his general level of skill as magician, ie (Eager Newcomer) and i meant that he should learn the basics before trying to come up with his own card tricks because quite frankly 99.99% of those will be awful unless he has the foundation for which tricks are built!

I definitely see your point--sleight of hand is an art and every art should be handled with beauty. For his skill level, though, his crummy fan will probably enhance the magic. A skilled card sharp was showing me his deck stacking shuffle--tossing cards about, dropping things, setting the deck down between shuffles--and blew the audience away when he showed that he'd stacked not one but TWO strong hands of poker. The sloppiness makes them think, "no way this guy is going to pull it off" and would be okay for a beginner in the field.