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Does anybody have any general tips? I can do it but its quite messy and its relatively easy to see what I'm doing. I seem to have a little difficulty making the deck look untouched at the end (eg its not perfectly square, theres usually a card or 2 poking out, if you get what I mean), but I don't want to make an obvious point out of squaring the deck because it invites suspicion.

I might video myself doing it so you can see my mistakes, could that help?

At the beginning, cup you hand, place it on the card, and flatten your hand. You'll be amazed at how much of the initial work it does for you.
as for Card Misalignment, try squaringn the cards against your left index finger while the change is happening.

Hope this helps!

Michael Kras

Don't press too hard, and on the back sweep go down a bit as well as back.
Oh, and practice.

Practice, practice and practice.

Newer cards make this easier to perform, old sticky ones can cause problems. Also if you have dry hands, a little bit of hand cream before you perform can also help.

One of the best tips I got for improving that change was to actually not use the entire heel of your hand like I was using, but to instead just use the part of the heel below the pinkey. The major reason that this improved my change I think is when using that part of your hand it is much easier to make it look like your hand is gliding over the pack, and due to the light touch you are using it is alot less likely that you will be dragging other cards about the place by mistake!

We've just had a guy at our magic club called Zenneth King of Keighley, who was doing the most unbelievable erdnase colour change I have ever seen.

At the top of the move he spins the card over his finger and lifts it clear of the deck, and you swear blind the card has changed in front of your eyes!

When I do the Erdnase, my hand just barely even touches the deck. The cards are easier to control in that way, it is a perfect change every time, and best of all... To spectators, it it looks like you are not even touching the deck!!

what a lot of people dont realize is what Erdnase says the change should be.

Most people dont learn this from the expert at the card table I think.

Erdnase says you should bring the first card forward, then bring your hand back to display the card, and say something like "you see its really the 9 of clubs, not a trick card at all"

oeb wrote:One of the best tips I got for improving that change was to actually not use the entire heel of your hand like I was using, but to instead just use the part of the heel below the pinkey. The major reason that this improved my change I think is when using that part of your hand it is much easier to make it look like your hand is gliding over the pack, and due to the light touch you are using it is alot less likely that you will be dragging other cards about the place by mistake!

That's how I do it, too. I find it easier to handle the cards that way and like oeb says, it reduces the likelihood of dragging other cards out with it. Works for me, anyway. The only other thing to add is... practice! Experiment with your handling and find a way that suits you and feels comfortable. And keep at it, practicing until it becomes second nature. If you practice enough, just about any sleight will become possible with time, patience and a sprinkling of dedication.

I often adapt the 'textbook' version of sleights and flourishes and do not follow the instructions to the letter. As long as it gives the desired results without exposing the method and you feel comfortable with it, there's no reason why you can't adapt these moves to your specific circumstances (hand size, moistness/dryness, etc.) It's all part of the learning process.

Just remember that the initial forward push needs to be as close to undetectable as possible .

Euan Bingham does a nice EC - although he tends to think that his vid is not one of his best. I'd hate to see his best ones, if he thinks that this one is not too good lol .

Watch for yourself and see:

Go to: http://www.magicden.co.uk/text.php?text=videos click on Erdnase Colour Change I.

a mistake i've seen a lot of people make with this is not keeping the left index finger on the front edge of the forward card.

HenryHoudini wrote:what a lot of people dont realize is what Erdnase says the change should be.

Most people dont learn this from the expert at the card table I think.

Erdnase says you should bring the first card forward, then bring your hand back to display the card, and say something like "you see its really the 9 of clubs, not a trick card at all"

I know what you mean.
The first part of the move is a get ready, but most people show it as part of the change.
When I saw it done properly for the first time, I didn't even recognise it as an erdnase.

The Erdnase change is far too abused these days. And I would guarantee that most people have no idea how to use it effectively or present it correctly.

The perception should be that of covering the card briefly, and during the moment of cover something magical happens–the card has changed.

I've seen all sorts of goofy presentation: "look, if I rub, I can make it change" being said BEFORE the change is executed.

Sadly, this is just another example of a classic sleight which has made it to the public domain, and has now gone from being a 'used sparingly with great effect' to a 'over-used with diluted effect' sleight.

The only real tip I would give is learn it from the source.

Recently, I have been trying to incorporate this sleight into a "faux-hypnotism" routine. A card is selected, placed into the pack, which is then shuffled vigorously. I then place the audience into "a trance" and tell them that the top card of the deck will under no circumstances be the selected card. The erdnase is then performed, and as the selected card is revealed, I "break the trance". Does anyone else perform this trick in this way that you know of? The patter is quite weak at the moment, and I will be working and changing it in the next few weeks. I'm sure that this trick is in no way revolutionary, but I think its a good use of the erdnase change.

I learnt the erdnase from "expert at the card table" and am glad, as a friend of mine, who learnt it out of a youtube video, was having all sorts of trouble with it.

It sounds similar to a Jay Sankey thing from "Revolutionary Card Magic." Pseudo hypnotism isn't quite right as a description. That would be like Kentonism. This is more like a gag- just patter. No one will really believe that the person could have been hypnotized. I digress. Jay Sankey uses a OHTP as a change and tells the spectator that's it's an illusion of their card appearing.