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Personally I don't think that there will much difference in the reactions between a wine and a champagne glass.

The DVD instruction covers the issue of angles and how to gt around these and I don;t think that is too much of an issue. I personally preser the close up version rather than the cabaret version and I'd definately save this for the bride or CEO's table

dat8962 wrote:Personally I don't think that there will much difference in the reactions between a wine and a champagne glass.

The DVD instruction covers the issue of angles and how to gt around these and I don;t think that is too much of an issue. I personally preser the close up version rather than the cabaret version and I'd definately save this for the bride or CEO's table

My comment re the Champagne glass referred to the point that champagne is synonymous with a "special occasion".

Ah - I see.

I read your post out of context

I am new to such effects and I was hoping someone could answer a question for me w/o giving away the secret. I have read through the postings but am still confused...

Can i walk up to a table with strangers, pick up the glass and do this?

I understand that I have to do some prep work but can I do it BEFORE I get to the table and pick up the glass? or, do I need to take the glass away for a while / plant it?

Thanks!

Todd

tfeller asked:

Can I walk up to a table with strangers, pick up the glass and do this?

This will depend on your level of skill at performing and presenting. To answer your next and fuller question will be difficult without giving too much away and to be honest, I don't really think that the answer matters if you can honestly answer the first question with a 'YES' as this is what they believe has happened.

Quite an intresting thread this one? A trick like this always seems to generate alot of hype and intrigue. Not so much with the more experienced magicians of course (as they will most likely to be familiar with the method / prep) and are less likely to ask questions such as "Is it really improptu" - "Can you really borrow the glass" - "How long does it take to set-up" etc

From reading the other posts i think i can pretty much guess the prep, and the required "so called borrowing of the glass" bit, and i can imagine which settings & venues this would be a good trick to perform in......however, just in case im completly wrong, and the method i've got in my head is nowhere near the reality of the prep involved.....im going to ask one of those 'probably stupid' questions.

Although once answered i'll know for sure if the way i think this is done is right or not.......so here goes (groans at the ready guys)

"Can the spectator touch the stem of the glass at any point in the routine before you begin the bend?"

....told you, so go then everyone, start the verbal bashing.....

TylerMason wrote:
From reading the other posts I think I can pretty much guess the prep, and the required "so called borrowing of the glass" bit, and I can imagine which settings & venues this would be a good trick to perform in......however, just in case im completly wrong, and the method I've got in my head is nowhere near the reality of the prep involved.....im going to ask one of those 'probably stupid' questions.

Although once answered I'll know for sure if the way I think this is done is right or not.......so here goes (groans at the ready guys)

"Can the spectator touch the stem of the glass at any point in the routine before you begin the bend?"

....told you, so go then everyone, start the verbal bashing.....

The best way to answer you is to reply,
To the question can you borrow the glass and perform the routine. Apparently, Yes. (watch the DVD and witness just that)

Can they touch the stem before the bend.As far as the spectator is concerned. Yes they could touch the stem before the bend

Hope that satisfies the curious and those who have purchased the DVD

Max Gordon wrote:

TylerMason wrote:
From reading the other posts I think I can pretty much guess the prep, and the required "so called borrowing of the glass" bit, and I can imagine which settings & venues this would be a good trick to perform in......however, just in case im completly wrong, and the method I've got in my head is nowhere near the reality of the prep involved.....im going to ask one of those 'probably stupid' questions.

Although once answered I'll know for sure if the way I think this is done is right or not.......so here goes (groans at the ready guys)

"Can the spectator touch the stem of the glass at any point in the routine before you begin the bend?"

....told you, so go then everyone, start the verbal bashing.....

The best way to answer you is to reply,
To the question can you borrow the glass and perform the routine. Apparently, Yes. (watch the DVD and witness just that)

Can they touch the stem before the bend.As far as the spectator is concerned. Yes they could touch the stem before the bend

Hope that satisfies the curious and those who have purchased the DVD

....thanks Max. I apreciate the reply to my question. I have just one more final thing to ask....does anyone know if I could conceivably bring a drink back from the bar in the prep'd glass, and allow the spectator to use it in a normal manner, wait until the wine has been drunk, then go into the routinte with the spectators glass.

I imagine this would look more impromptu to them, than if you just picked up an empty glass from the table that's been there the whole time - a bit suspicious maybe?......of course im not sure if serving a drink in the prepared glass would be an option at all, but if this tick can be presented in this way, it would be a nice touch.

Any help or advice would be most welcomed. Thanks again. Have a good weekend all.

Tyler.

Tyler...

This effect costs less than a cheap bottle of champers. Just buy it and find out ?!?!?!?

I apreciate the reply to my question. I have just one more final thing to ask....does anyone know if I could conceivably bring a drink back from the bar in the prep'd glass, and allow the spectator to use it in a normal manner, wait until the wine has been drunk, then go into the routinte with the spectators glass.

No

As Seige has said, I think that you should buy it now if you're interested and personally, I'd be reluctant to answer any more questions than have already been answered.

As Seige has said, I think that you should buy it now if you're interested and personally, I'd be reluctant to answer any more questions than have already been answered.

I have to agree, buy the effect and develop your own presentation. (like the rest of us!)

If you're into parlour type magic where you work with a table, 'The Cloak' DVD gives you a perfect rising card routine that uses a wine glass that you could use as an opener to then move into Refraction.

If you watch 'The Cloak' DVD then you will note that the glass is handed to, and inspected by the spectator which is a perfect scenario as there is no suspicion on the glass by the time that you get to Refraction.

Just a thought if you have both DVD's

dat8962 wrote:If you're into parlour type magic where you work with a table, 'The Cloak' DVD gives you a perfect rising card routine that uses a wine glass that you could use as an opener to then move into Refraction.

If you watch 'The Cloak' DVD then you will note that the glass is handed to, and inspected by the spectator which is a perfect scenario as there is no suspicion on the glass by the time that you get to Refraction.

Just a thought if you have both DVD's

Thanks dat8962 - I shall look into 'the cloak' dvd then. Cheers for the tip. I remember once seeing david copperfield perform a 4 aces reveal in a wine glass using a mini deck & large silk. After placing an indifferent card at the front of the glass, with a quick wave of the silk, it changes!

Looks very visual. I never did manage to find out the name of that effect. I have since learned this method after piecing together a couple of similar effects from some books and lecture notes, and its currently the only trick i do which uses a wine glass....but i think i'll try your rising card idea instead now. Thanks again for your help. Most apreciated. Have a good one.

Tyler.

does the setup have to be done every time before each trick or can it be done at the start of the night and used a few times?

From previous posts i assume not...?

ultimatecreate wrote:does the setup have to be done every time before each trick or can it be done at the start of the night and used a few times?

From previous posts I assume not...?

Afraid not mate, sorry - Each performance requires abit of prep. Once you've performed this trick, you have set-up again for the next time you do it.

I wouldn't recommend using the same glass over and over....it makes a really cool souvenier to give out to whoever you show the effect to. Sign the glass, hand it out - they'll remember you forever (and chances are they're gonna tell all their friends about you too!)

So, if i was you mate, i'd prep a glass each time you do it. Keeping the glass for yourself after you've shown them the trick will probably look abit strange anyway. Plus, giving them the glass to keep only reinforces the strength of the effect.....but it's up to you how you want to finish the trick off mate - "souvenier or no souvenier, that is the question"