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Hi everyone..

I am slowly progressing through the RRTCM and watching my Kaufman DVD and I'm slowly getting there, however I am having real trouble putting it all together.

For instance, doing an In J to a PB to a riffle force. I have learned the techniques fairly well but can't seem to get it to flow properly or loose the break etc.

Does anyone have any recommendations for a DVD that shows the techniques and tips for linking all these sleights together (I say DVD because I find them easier to learn from.. but I would consider a good book) or have I just not read enough of the RRTCM.

Thanks

Slippery

i know this isnt what you want to hear but its the old saying.... "practice practice practice..... then practice again"... its like any new skill.. it needs to be drilled until it becomes natural..... just take up residence in front of a mirror or webcam and just keep doing the sleights... they WILL become natural.... trust me!

practice, practice, practice..

Being fairly new to all this I really do enjoy sitting infront of the telly with a pack of cards in my hand just practicing and then facing the mirror challenge it's just that my fingers just don't want to do as they are told at the moment.

But what I really would like is any tips to link stuff together such as how to hold a PB whilst switching hands, little tips to help make this sort of thing easier etc..

Did you all have this trouble (or is it just me) and was it just a case of do it for real and then do it with the sleight until you got it right. if so i have no problem with this.. I just want to make sure I'm doing all these switches right.

Thanks again.

Slippery

You could always go from a PB to a TB.

That makes no sense what so ever so I'll PM u!

too many abbreviations!

Thanks for the PM Fish..

Just the thing I wanted to know (PB - TB - PB).. You see as a persistent, but struggling beginner no one seems to tell you this sort of thing (or maybe like I said earlier.. I've just not read enough of RRTCM etc..).

These are exactly the sort of things I'm after, how to link stuff together into routines. I would have thought these things would be standard handling techniques as most people would need to do them and like everything I assume there is an easy, hard and recommended way of doing these links. (no need to re-invent the wheel and all that).

Any suggestions on where you can find these things out would be most appreciated.

Slippery

I was going to suggest a TB as well.

To be honest this sort of thing comes from just practise of different moves and a bit of practical thinking.

Once you know how to do several slights naturally you can then start to think about how would i go from here to there and then on from that.

You won't really find anybody who can teach you this, although in some videos or books they break the effects down so much in the explaination that they would cover how to do these dorts of changes in their actual explaination.

Ok..

Thanks everyone..

(especially Fish)

Guess it's just a case of practice.. practice.. practice and working it out for myself based on what's natural and what I know.

(just like you said the_Mog)

Thanks again everyone.. most helpful as always..

Slippery

There is far too much reliance purely on 'documented' sleights.

Metaphor:
More often than not, you will travel your journey from home>work>home numerous times. So much so, that after a while, you don't even class it as a journey. You stop thinking of it as a structure of various turns, stops and starts, and it becomes a 'whole'.

As time progresses, all the actions which are necessary in card sleights also merge. A point comes where it all just fits together, naturally, like the journey to work. And it's not important HOW you get there, or which sleights are involved.

My comment at the start of this post is something very important if you're going to adopt a natural style of your own. There are many ways to transfer a pinky break. Not just the ones you read about. Learn your own ways...

For instance, is it necessary to keep the PB and transfer it, or, before the hand switch, is it more logical to double undercut the card the top? Would this be more logical?

Break your tricks/effects down to a start/finish point, like the work journey, and try to see if there are easier, more practical ways of getting there.

And don't necessarily trust your instincts... a bit of forethought and practice always reveals new avenues and possibilities.

As time goes on I'm begining to realise that you are exactly right Seige.

I guess the real problem is that I lack the confidence to think that what I've come up with works instead.

As a nubi I still have a lot to learn and I really want to try my hardest and get it right so that I don't give away anything or let others down by not doing things technically right as opposed to what works for me.

Just glad this forum is here, otherwise I would have lost some of my enthusiasm by now. Instead I love practicing and when I actually perform some of the things I've learnt (though this is not often at present).

I can't wait to have all this fall into place.

Thanks

Slippery

You'll learn the most through your own experiences - I found with RRTCM that if something's frustrating you, move on and come back to it a few days later - after a certain length of time you may read the book slightly differently, or notice something you had missed out, or the whole thing just suddenly comes together.

The DL (um, the sleight 'most commonly overused but when used correctly produces startling magic' - I think that's what it says in the book) was the perfect example of this for me.

I couldn't do it for practising, then suddenly i jumped in the deep end and performed a trick using it ('rapid transit' I think) and it worked. It was then that I realised exactly how my hands need to work to do it properly.

Also, you never know exactly how the audience sees what you are doing because you can never know exactly where they are looking - experiences and regular revision is the key to RRTCM.