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I posted this on another forum where people said my CP was in the right position. I have David Roth's expert coin magic made easy and in it he says the coin in the center of the palm. The thumb then moves and using the thumb muscle and hypothenar muscle (the muscle under the pinky) to hold the coin. I can move all my fingers quite easily. I've been holding the coin in CP for 3 days now. Obviously, this isn't enough time but there is nothing wrong with practicing with the wrong technique. I Can get the coin into position easily.

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You really shouldn't post pics like this.. its pretty much straight up exposure!!

But until its removed I will say its not bad.. but your pinky isnt sitting natural. This will come with practice.

basicly mate if its comftable for you easy to into and out of then its right for you.
difernt sized coins and multiples will change the position slightly anyway, everyones classic is unique to them.

magicdiscoman wrote:basicly mate if its comftable for you easy to into and out of then its right for you.
difernt sized coins and multiples will change the position slightly anyway, everyones classic is unique to them.

Thank you. I noticed I can move my hands quite freely I just am having trouble moving my thumb UP. I can move it forwards and backwards but not UP. I think this will come with practice. Also I literally cannot lay my hand flat on a table like david roth does, the coin falls out and my hand just looks cramped. I guess I have the right position then, which is good now I just have to keep practicing for 6 months or so.

I can get the coin into position fine, from finger tip rest position to the CP.

Thanks

Relax your hand, let the fingers curl naturally. Almost nobody can CP like David Roth, his is freakishly good. There is also no need to lift your thumb up, surely?

majortom wrote:Relax your hand, let the fingers curl naturally. Almost nobody can CP like David Roth, his is freakishly good. There is also no need to lift your thumb up, surely?

Alright, I'll try that. I think it will become easier (more natural) with more practice

The point is, there's a misconception with the CP that the hand must be completely flat, but in fact if you think about it, when your hand is relaxed, without a coin, it's nearer the shape that it'd normally be when FPing.

SpongeBallSlight-of-hand wrote: I've been holding the coin in CP for 3 days now.

Thats quite a long time!Dont you sleep??!

thebigcheese wrote:

SpongeBallSlight-of-hand wrote: I've been holding the coin in CP for 3 days now.

Thats quite a long time!Dont you sleep??!

Haha! Reminds me of a classic Mitch Hedberg opening line:

"Man, I haven't slept for 10 days... because that would be too long."

SpongeBallSlight-of-hand wrote:

magicdiscoman wrote:basicly mate if its comftable for you easy to into and out of then its right for you.
difernt sized coins and multiples will change the position slightly anyway, everyones classic is unique to them.

Thank you. I noticed I can move my hands quite freely I just am having trouble moving my thumb UP. I can move it forwards and backwards but not UP. I think this will come with practice. Also I literally cannot lay my hand flat on a table like david roth does, the coin falls out and my hand just looks cramped. I guess I have the right position then, which is good now I just have to keep practicing for 6 months or so.

I've never needed to lift my thumb up while in CP position, but being able to do so came out of much practice

I still can't put my hands flat on a table or lift something up with my palm flat against it, but I usually work around such things by the way I lift the object. If you don't call attention to it nobody will ever know

just tuppence from an amateur but i hope its of some use...

your thumb and hand positions are a dead giveaway. people today (and this really carries to other threads dealing with exposers and the need for magic to keep moving) are aware its a form of deception - hence why they all want to know how its done (as well as the 'i want it now generation - dont get me stated ). loads of folk who have never lifted a card have heard the phrase 'sleight of hand' or 'palming' through exposers, films, some book they got as a kid, and so on. the mysticism surrounding the art is a thing of the past...

that said its not the methods that need to evolved or improved. 9 times out of ten its merely the presentation. its a mistake to simply work until the sleight is perfect then dabble with the presentation. as you go through a movement over and over you develop 'muscle memory'. the movement gets easier and feels more 'natural'. but then you end up changing so move back a few steps.

in a nutshell you should practice both together to build the correct muscle memory.

remember that deception and distraction are the rules of the game.

if you like (although i have limited experience with coins although most principles carry over to cards and close up) ill give you some pointers on making a cp more difficult to detect. all spectator tested of course:)

and it goes without saying you can carry these over to other close up movements too:)

NOTE TO MODS: im not offering to give away secrets just to expand on a few points.

joel:)

Just to say that your hand looks a bit to rigid, that will ease with practise.
Remember, spare time is practise time!

A nice way to practise is to hold a coin in classic palm in both hands (or your main hand if you don't feel too comfortable) and do it whilst you're driving.

This is a good way to make your hand feel natural as you're not concentrating on the coin, but rather the 'distraction' of driving.

I don't THINK it's illegal

The advice I got when working on my classic palm was to do it however I could hold it in my hand most naturally and still have use of all my digits.

To practice I just kept a palmed quarter as often as I could while at work. I work in retail so I would hold the quarter while cashiering: counting change, putting books in sacks, etc. While out in the store I would practice moving into and out of a palm while talking to customers or gesturing toward points in the store.

Since then I've just always kept a quarter in my pocket and I palm it constantly as I talk with people or walk on my way to wherever. By now it's nearly a nervous habit but I can tell that it has greatly improved.

Give that a try, if all else fails wait until winter and try this: http://www.talkmagic.co.uk/ftopic23643.php