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themagicwand wrote:I'd love to read your palm greedoniz. That would be fun. I find palmistry to be around 90% accurate when it comes to personality profiling.

I can email you a picture. I will have to shave my palm first....it's terribly hairy

A very interesting post Steve.

Shufton wrote:
The main gripe against the Templar Knights was that they held knowledge that was injurious to the church, as truth often is. That is how they became "heretics", according to the "benevolent" church, and were quickly put to death - and not in the most pleasant ways.

Most of the info I can casually uncover via Google seems to suggest that King Philip the Fourth (of France) persuaded Pope Clement into putting paid to the Order because he was in so much debt to them, which sounds a whole lot more likely to me, although a lot less "Da Vinci Code". I have no doubt I will be wryly informed that the truth on the matter is recorded in a rare book somewhere...! Not that I'm defending the actions of the Medieval church...

Shufton wrote:
Most practitioners of religion claim that they are interested, have faith and believe, etc. Very few have done the tremendous amount of work and research needed to uncover the actual truth regarding the derivation of these things, in particular, the religion they so fervently believe in.

I partially agree here; certainly, if people educated themselves a little more into the origins of their faith, they would be more insightful. The Christian/Jewish thing springs to mind for me: I love to read about Jewish tradition because it sets the scene for my own faith, and an understanding of how that came about in a Jewish context can only be a good thing.

However, what of the faith of children, or the mentally disabled? Are they "second raters" when it comes to faith because they haven't done their homework? Or what about people who "find God" in their last breath?

There is a huge difference between knowing about religion and having a living and active faith. Eugene Burger mentions religion as an interest, a hobby, along side his noodlings with Oriental philosophy. Fine, if you find it interesting I'm certainly not going to stop you, but knowing about it isn't the same as investing in it, believing in it... having faith.

I far more admire someone who learns one simple passage, takes it to heart and allows it to make him kinder, more forgiving, more humble etc. than someone who has read every religious text and work of philosophy and just sits around stroking his beard.

No offence, Beardy...

And Greedo - yes - The Shinx - brilliant! But The Blue Raj is my personal favourite...

Michael Jay wrote:A question for Greedo:

Do we gaze at the stars because we're human or are we human because we gaze at the stars?

Mike.

Sure zap me back to my University days. I had to listen to a psych professor go on for what seemed like years talking about Carl Jung, "Am I sitting on the rock? or is the rock sitting on me?" I tried so hard to forget and now its all come flooding back. Argggg, close the gate...close the gate!

greedoniz wrote:
I can email you a picture. I will have to shave my palm first....it's terribly hairy

Yes, that might be fun. My email address is on my website. Perhaps I could post the reading up on TM if you don't mind? I'll also show how I came to the conclusions that I did, so readers may pick up palm reading basics for themselves.

When taking the picture of your palm, please use your main hand (eg right for right handed folk) and spread your thumb apart from the palm as far as you comfortably can. Keep the rest of your fingers close together if possible. A very serious and in-depth palm reading would require me seeing both palms, but as this is primarily a bit of fun let's just concentrate on one palm.

Magic wand I'd love to have my palm read to see what the results show.

Is there any chance I could email a photo of my hand. I'd pay a small fee if necessary to prevent everyone just asking for it to be done willy nilly?

I don't mind the results being posted on TM as I generally wear my heart on my sleeve most of the time anyway.

themagicwand wrote:

greedoniz wrote:
I can email you a picture. I will have to shave my palm first....it's terribly hairy

Yes, that might be fun. My email address is on my website. Perhaps I could post the reading up on TM if you don't mind? I'll also show how I came to the conclusions that I did, so readers may pick up palm reading basics for themselves.

When taking the picture of your palm, please use your main hand (eg right for right handed folk) and spread your thumb apart from the palm as far as you comfortably can. Keep the rest of your fingers close together if possible. A very serious and in-depth palm reading would require me seeing both palms, but as this is primarily a bit of fun let's just concentrate on one palm.

I will take a pic and email you tonight after work if I remember

Wills wrote:Magic wand I'd love to have my palm read to see what the results show.

Is there any chance I could email a photo of my hand. I'd pay a small fee if necessary to prevent everyone just asking for it to be done willy nilly?

I don't mind the results being posted on TM as I generally wear my heart on my sleeve most of the time anyway.

No problem Wills. Just post it over to me. My pleasure.

just out of interest, what's the significance of the different hands? I've got loads of little lines criss corssing the head and life lines on my left hand but few few of them on my right hand.

Lady of Mystery wrote:just out of interest, what's the significance of the different hands? I've got loads of little lines criss corssing the head and life lines on my left hand but few few of them on my right hand.

If you're right handed, then the right hand signifies the "everyday" you, the person who goes out and meets the world, whereas your left hand is all about the "inner you", what goes on deep within you.

The little lines on your left hand (assuming you're right handed) indicate to me - and it is a little tricky without actually seeing your hand - that you have worries or concerns deep down that you don't feel comfortable letting others know about right now. This will probably be a personality trait, ie you tend to keep your concerns or worries to yourself because you may not like to upset or worry other people.

Again, it would be a lot more acurate if I actually saw your hand. And of course if you're left handed then it means the opposite! You then would be a bit of a moaner who didn't really mean it!

and it is a little tricky without actually seeing your hand - that you have worries or concerns deep down that you don't feel comfortable letting others know about right now

Funny that, I had a personality test done in Leeds last weekend, and the man said something EXTREMELY similar.

Just so you know that I'm not making it up or just using "the spiel", the small lines crossing the life line and head lines of lomster are worry lines (most probably). The fact that they're on the left hand and not on the right indicates that these worries are kept deep down and not verbalised or discussed openly very often.

That's my line and I'm sticking to it. That'll be £20 please.

Just to add magicwand, I was only messing around. Although I did go for a personality test (and failed ) and I did here something similar, I am not at all doubting you.


Believe it or not from my previous posts on this thread, quite interested in Palm Reading, Tarot Reading and the likes, just like to be a headstrong skeptic!

If no one can agree on quite how the tarot are meant to be used, then how can anyone be sure that they are doing it correctly (unless there is nothing to it)?
It just seems to me that countless people have their way of doing it, which allow the desired 'effect'. Just as there are countless ways of performing a card sleight. If the cards aren't important, or the random sequence of dealing (and Im sure that most tarot readers do place an importance on the actual cards dealt), then everything is coming from the reader and there is nothing mystic about the cards. And if so we are in the same situation as we would be with any debate about such supernatural claims. Apply occams razor, and logic tells you it is cold reading.
If on the other hand we agree that nothing supernatural is happening, and the cards are used to help an individual confront various issues, then he reader is nothing more than an untrained therapist who may be playing with issues that should not be played with for 'entertainment' purposes.

Wild Card wrote:Just to add magicwand, I was only messing around. Although I did go for a personality test (and failed ) and I did here something similar, I am not at all doubting you.


Believe it or not from my previous posts on this thread, quite interested in Palm Reading, Tarot Reading and the likes, just like to be a headstrong skeptic!

No offence taken at all. When I do readings I always like to explain exactly what I'm doing, whether with the tarot or the palm, just so folk know I'm not flanneling them. Well, at least not in the way they suspect I might.

Ooh. Readings. Are they "real" or are they not? Tis a riddle wrapped within an enigma indeed.

AndyRegs wrote: Apply occams razor, and logic tells you it is cold reading..

Yes, but what exactly is cold reading? Cold reading seems to have become this stock phrase used by sceptics to describe the reading process. I wonder if anyone can define cold reading for me?