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by **daleshrimpton** » Aug 12th, '08, 10:31

alanchester wrote:I started in magic because i enjoy it and it seemed to be that magic people enjoy what they do and there were never any any 'politics' then it is sad that one person in a major society can have the power and seem to instill fear into people there was a new society planned in Blackpool called 'The magical Performers society' that never got off the ground because people would rather wait years for a vacancy in BMC many people said I would join but ill never be allowed in BMC if i do.

Magic should be enjoyed by performers and people being performed to, and the politics should stay in the house of commons, I thought Voldermort was wicked

Maybe you should consider supporting the now reformed Fylde mystics society.
Contact Steve Eastham. Im reasonably sure he will welcome the support.
I was chatting to a founder member of the original society, and he told me that they used to have a very strong junior membership, by having a representitive of the club, work the counter every saturday.

( I seem to recall that this was at Murrays shop)

by **Mandrake** » Aug 12th, '08, 11:17

Courtesy of www.magicweek.co.uk:

Blackpool & Fylde Mystics. Alan Mylecraine emails: "After a number of discussions we are pleased to announce the re-formation of the Blackpool & Fylde Mystics. This magical society was originally established in 1958, so it is therefore fitting that it is re-formed in this, the society's 50th Anniversary year. The first meeting was held on Tuesday 5th August 2008 in Cleveleys, Lancashire and was attended by 7 people, including one of the original founder members, Ken Ashburn. It was agreed at the outset that both Ken Ashburn and Laurie Gleeson, one of the other founder members, should be made Honorary Life Members in recognition of their involvement in forming the society all those years ago. In preliminary discussions it was agreed that the main aim of the Society would be the performance of magic. With a full programme of events compiled for the next twelve months it is hoped that the society will begin to grow with other like minded magicians joining. We would also like to dispel any myths that this is a breakaway society from other clubs. This is not the case and members are actively encouraged to be members of other societies, firmly believing in “Friendship Through the Art of Magic”. Membership is open to all practicing magicians who wish to perform and share their magical experiences with a small group of fellow enthusiasts. Meetings are held at 8pm on the first Tuesday of each month at the Frank Townend Community Centre in Cleveleys." For more information or an application form, email blackpool_fylde_mystics@yahoo.co.uk.

by **daleshrimpton** » Aug 12th, '08, 11:30

cheers for that M..

D.

by **alanchester** » Aug 12th, '08, 11:31

I have already been in touch with them thanks for your input

by **Mandrake** » Aug 12th, '08, 11:36

Perhaps the words:

members are actively encouraged to be members of other societies, firmly believing in “Friendship Through the Art of Magic”.

should be well noted..... :wink:

by **alanchester** » Aug 12th, '08, 11:39

but you cannot be a member of BMC and another society unless it is agreed with the leader first and 'friendship through magic' does not apply to BMC they are a closed shop like the masons used to be

by **dat8962** » Aug 12th, '08, 18:41

I too noticed the magic week article and I sincerely wish Fylde every success with their Society.

I would also welcome a perspective on this thread from someone at the BMC but doubt very much that one will be forthcoming. They must be aware of the situation but perhaps believe they are above having to comment.

by **daleshrimpton** » Aug 13th, '08, 08:53

either that, or they wish to remain a member of B.M.C, so they are keeping stum.

by **danata** » Aug 13th, '08, 20:14

Hi this is Mike Danata again!

Because Collin Richardson's Internet is down, he cannot post on this or any other forum. Collin has asked if I could post this Statement onto this forum on his behalf, so here goes:

edited by mods.

The magic is in all of us!
0800 118 26 55
www.mikedanatasmagicstudio.co.uk
www.semagicconvention.com[/b]

by **Mandrake** » Aug 13th, '08, 21:17

And just to make it equally clear, http://www.talkmagic.co.uk/sutra3591.php#3591 states in part:

The Forum's Owners, Administrators and Moderators wish to make it known that they are not responsible for content, and accept no responsibility or liability for information contained on this site. Regular monitoring by administration staff will keep the site in order, but the owner stresses that any discrepancies or requests for amendment or removal are at the discretion of the elected moderation and administration team, who, accordingly, are bound by honour to act swiftly, amicably and neutrally—with the concerns of the Entity paramount.

by **Mage Tyler** » Aug 13th, '08, 23:32

Being from the US it's always been frustrating hearing everyone talk about Blackpool and how wonderful it is every year. I am probably not the only American to consider trying to save up pennies in order to one day, hopefully, make it to the convention.

But, honestly, all this really puts me off.

Maybe I'll just save up anyway and go to a convention here in the states.

Thanks, but no thanks Blackpool.

by **alanchester** » Aug 14th, '08, 02:11

maybe anyone feeling this way should write dircetly to the BMC since it is they who have caused this there are however others such as the IBM at eastbourne this year and SEMC and others which dont have politics

by **danata** » Aug 14th, '08, 09:27

Hi it's Mike Danata again. Many people are asking about the "Offending Letter" from Carl d Rome, that was published on the SEMC forum page.

Collin Richardson ( main SEMC Convention organiser) has asked me to put on the following statement as his server is still down at the moment, & can't do it himself.

"There is a lot of confusion over this, because photo copy's of OTHER letters have been sent by BMC to all the dealers. Many of those dealers are assuming that ALL those letters were published on the SEMC website, I would like to state categorically, that THEY WERE NOT!
We published one letter from Carl D Rome, with a disclaimer that the views expressed were not necessarily those of the organisers.

(Note from Mods: Sorry but Carl's first letter was deleted from TM because of the content, the second version wasn't much better and this version is still not in accord with TM policy of not publishing such defamatory comments. Honest comments are fine but when they become personal then they have to go. Carl himslf was banned for his lack of respect for TM so can we just leave the matter as is, if anyone really needs to see Carl's comments I'm sure they can be found elsewhere.)

Carl has a "Colourful" (to say the least!) way of expressing himself, & after much deliberation, we decided to publish the letter. Looking back we probably made a mistake, because it seems that letter gave the excuse for all the events that followed. Both Geoff & myself NEVER saw the SEMC as a "Threat" in any way to Blackpool, we are organising a much smaller convention down South, for the people down this neck of the woods, & had every intention to attend Blackpool as well (prior to being banned!!)

Collin Richardson

by **oscaralane** » Aug 15th, '08, 18:14

There have been a number of acrimonious posts to this and other forums regarding dealers at Blackpool, some of them directed at one paticular person, Derek Lever.

For the record, Mr Lever and his colleagues organise a world-class annual convention at Blackpool. True, the 2008 one didn’t reach the pinnacle achieved by the previous year’s, but it was still very, very good. What’s more, and even with the best will in the world, it simply isn’t possible to please everyone all the time.

As to the alleged banning of certain dealers, a magic convention is a private function. As such, the organisers can impose any conditions they see fit on people attending, be they artists, dealers or visitors. I gather that last year a dealer was removed from Blackpool for misuse of his stand and allowing what amounted to fly-pitching. I heard no complaints then about the restriction of free trade. Nor have I heard any complaints from those dealers not invited to the SEMC. Those limited invitations are, of course, no different in effect to Blackpool’s policy.

by **Collin Richardson** » Aug 15th, '08, 19:07

Statement From Collin Richardson/Geoff Pescud Convention Organisers For The Southern England Magic Convention

In Reply to Oscar Lane:

I would like to point out that the SEMC does NOT have a policy of RESTRICTION regarding dealers at the SEMC convention.
ANY Dealer can apply & no one will be refused! This policy has existed since the original conception of the SEMC.
I would agree with Oscar that the organisers of any convention have the right to pick & choose who they wish to attend, if they so want.

HOWEVER, this is not the problem as well you know. The problem is in a letter signed by Derek Lever, & sent to dealers that prohibits any dealer
exhibiting at ANY other BRITISH Convention FIVE WEEKS prior to Blackpool.
In relation to Fair Trade, the BMC has, we feel certainly breached Trading Standards Regulations, with those particular clauses. Some dealers intended to trade at BOTH CONVENTIONS, & now (apparently) can't. We can make no further comment at this time, as we are consulting with our Legal Advisors.

Collin Richardson/Geoff Pescud
www.semagicconvention.com

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