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Postby Lenoir » Nov 4th, '08, 19:39



If I were American, I would be voting for Obama!

I took up Politics AS Level this year and we've been discussing both candidates policies a lot and he seems to top McCain!

What be your thoughts on the election?

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Postby flashman » Nov 4th, '08, 19:52

Don't vote.... it only encourages them!! :D

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Postby caffa » Nov 4th, '08, 19:55

I would vote for Obama if i lived in the USA - Only because i think the other option McCain is a weaker candidate.

It was also sad to hear that Obama grandmother died the other day.

I have a funny feeling about this election dare i predict it - Butterfly voting again and african american race riots if that does happen to Obama

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Postby MagicBell » Nov 4th, '08, 19:56

I think I'm kidding myself to even consider that either party could offer any genuine change, but I would still like Obama to win, not least because of the great social advance it would represent, being a black man in the white house, and I just feel McCain has no charisma. He seems a bit slimy (sorry, is that slanderous?) and desperate.

Current predictions indicate that Obama is only likely to lose if the prejudices of the masses are too much. Having said that, yesterday's news showed people queuing for up to 4 hours to get their votes in, and there were tons of black people out in masses to vote for him. That was the easy part - the hard part was getting the support of the white Americans to whom he is either just another candidate, or who have reserves about a black man.


I sound like I'm leaning heavily on the race issue, but I'm not really - truth is though, it is a big factor in this election and could be a huge factor on the final outcome.

I wished I had done Politics at A Level. Would have been fun.

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Postby StevieJ » Nov 4th, '08, 19:57

"It's not the voting that's democracy, it's the counting."
- Tom Stoppard


A citizen of America will cross the ocean to fight for democracy, but won't cross the street to vote in a national election.
- Bill Vaughan

Bad officials are elected by good citizens who do not vote.
- George Jean Nathan

I will feel equality has arrived when we can elect to office women who are as incompetent as some of the men who are already there.
- Maureen Reagan

Democracy is the only system that persists in asking the powers that be whether they are the powers that ought to be.
- Sydney J. Harris

There are always too many Democratic congressmen, too many Republican congressmen, and never enough U.S. congressmen.
- Anonymous

We always want the best man to win an election. Unfortunately, he never runs.
- Will Rogers

The next time they give you all that civic bull about voting, keep in mind that Hitler was elected in a full, free democratic election.
- George Carlin

Always vote for the principle, though you may vote alone, and you may cherish the sweetest reflection that your vote is never lost.
- John Quincy Adams

I never vote for anyone. I always vote against.
- W.C. Fields

Constantly choosing the lesser of two evils is still choosing evil.
- Jerry Garcia

In order to become the master, the politician poses as the servant.
- Charles de Gaulle

A politician thinks of the next election. A statesman, of the next generation.
- James Freeman Clarke

An oppressive government is more to be feared than a tiger.
- Confucius

Vote for the man who promises least. He'll be the least disappointing.
- Bernard Baruch

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Postby Lenoir » Nov 4th, '08, 19:59

Just a random thought.
Obama is half "black", half "white".

He is no more "black" than he is "white"

So why do we refer to him as "Black"?
If you were referring to actual skin colour, you would of course call him "brown." It really does confuse me.

Same with Bob Marley! His mother was a white Scottish lady!

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Postby Ian The Magic-Ian » Nov 4th, '08, 20:04

If I could vote I'd go with McCain. He seems rather unpopular among those whom I've discussed this with. Ah well, it's not like I, nor any of you in england can do anything about it. :lol:

I have to admit though, the rhetoric Obama is using in his speeches and ads are good.

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Postby MagicBell » Nov 4th, '08, 20:07

It seems 'Whiteness' is recessive. :lol:

I think cause we live in 'white' parts of the world, it's the norm to be white, so it's not really considered. If someone has some other ethnicity, it's more focused on.
Sorry guys, but it appears that being white is boring. :P If someone is from another part of the world, then it's more interesting because you don't know so much about it.

However, I don't believe he's half white. I think it's a much smaller amount, is it not? I don't recall either of his parents being full white, but perhaps Im wrong. Someone check.

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Postby Lenoir » Nov 4th, '08, 20:09

His mother is Ann Dunham. A "white" American!

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Postby MagicBell » Nov 4th, '08, 20:10

Ian the Mental-Ian wrote:If I could vote I'd go with McCain. He seems rather unpopular among those whom I've discussed this with. Ah well, it's not like I, nor any of you in england can do anything about it. :lol:

I have to admit though, the rhetoric Obama is using in his speeches and ads are good.


As the first McCain buff, care to explain why you favour him?

Just interested that's all.


Obama has a much higher worldwide profile now, but that's most likely again due to the 'gimmick' of his colour and the coverage that has received, rather than actually himself. Which is a shame, because it'd be interesting to see how it would differ if he was white or if him being black was a non-issue.

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Postby MagicBell » Nov 4th, '08, 20:12

Lenoir wrote:His mother is Ann Dunham. A "white" American!


Oh yes, so she is.


Anyway, he's black. :lol:
It's more noticeable than his white half. As I said, it's recessive. :P

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Postby Ace of Shades » Nov 4th, '08, 20:38

StevieJ wrote:(All good stuff, but especially..)
We always want the best man to win an election. Unfortunately, he never runs.
- Will Rogers

Vote for the man who promises least. He'll be the least disappointing.
- Bernard Baruch

'Very interesting to see how this one turns out tonight, and even more interesting to see what happens from there...

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Postby Brookish » Nov 4th, '08, 23:12

MagicBell wrote:
Lenoir wrote:His mother is Ann Dunham. A "white" American!


Oh yes, so she is.


Anyway, he's black. :lol:
It's more noticeable than his white half. As I said, it's recessive. :P


If he were standing next to Michael Jackson and you asked a kid to point to the black man, who would he point to? The Afro-American or the half-white guy? :lol:

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Postby Tomo » Nov 5th, '08, 00:29

flashman wrote:Don't vote.... it only encourages them!! :D

Vote, otherwise THEY get in by default.

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Postby Demitri » Nov 5th, '08, 05:46

Myself, I voted for John McCain - however, Barack Obama has won the election. I must now strap myself in and wait for my taxes to inevitably go up...

Yeah, socialism - here we come!

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