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Blapsing_Beard wrote:I did a handshake induction last saturday on an unsuspecting mark, with no set pieces e.t.c

worked wonders....

Did they know you were 'the hypnotist' or was it completely cold?

Having got lost in the side track, I was wondering if it had been decreed that this is, in fact, a good book, since there was so much scepticism early on.

If you're interested in using hypnosis- whether you believe in it's more questionable properties or not*- this book is fantastic.

I got it less than a month ago and I am already enjoying using many of the ideas in the book.

*like curing physical diseases

spudgun wrote:just wanted to update folks ive been doing this now for about a month and its stunning stuff. I tend to do some magic and then go into the hypnotism as it seems to be a huge aid in me, coming off at least, as "the hypnotist"....i have a couple of wee thoughts and queries for folks tho. Im currently terified of trying the hand shake induction but tend to go through the full 3 set piecies and have them struggling to bend their arms (i mean its very impressive) also im sure my outward appearence of nonchalant almost arogance is doing wonders (even tho im cacking it im a great actor)......but....can i at this point go strait into deepening and then add the super suggestion.????i kind of think i probably can but just wanted folks thoughts

Also and this may be aquestion for the more learned of you on the subject (like anthony etc) but im a nurse right and think that posibly there might be a nobel prize waiting for someone who uses this in palliative care. what i mean is ive never seen it as a form of analgesia prescribed. But do anymore acomplished hypnotists think that its possible or is it ethically too much of a minefield.....also and i dont want to sound like Dr Frankenstien but has there ever been any studies with hypnosis and the placebo effect (i know thats ethically irresposible but......i think its a thought).....i have few musings on this but too mad to actualy post

Hi Spudgun, thanks for the feedback and high praise of RIP. I am flattered and pleased that you are taking this beyond theory and find it easy to wrap into your magic. You seem to have recognized that using magic to slide into hypnotic effects works.

You have asked some good questions. The answer to your question about can you go straight from an arm lock or other set piece exercise straight into hypnosis, intensification and suggestion is on the DVD. Yes you can. Use the moment created by the exercise, eyes are stuck, fingers, hands or an arm is stuck and simply encourage them or command them in and to start responding.

If you are tentative about the handshake then I suggest you follow your instinct and put them in via an arm bar. You can do this by either keeping the arm stiff, deepen then give procedural instructions about how you will wake them up and then deliver that instruction.
'No as that arm gets stiffer, close your eyes and go inside. Sleep. Not the sleep you have at night but a deep relaxation of your conscious mind. As I rock your shoulder ust relax, every muscle nerve and fibre, deeply relaxed. In a moment I am going to tap you on the shoulder and say wide 1,2 wide awake. Your eyes will open and you will be ready for your next instruction. Ready to be hypnotized. From this point when I say sleep that is your signal to immediately return to hypnosis. Nod your head if you understand'.

Equally you could do it by instructing them that in a moment you will touch their arm and it will relax completely and as you do it, gently pull them in and keep the suggestions going. Same kind of thing as above.

As they open their eyes and are at something less than 100% conscious reorientation put your hand out and say excellent and do the handshake. This is the best way of practising it or any other rapid maneuver. Use it as your re-induction of choice until you have it mastered.

At worst they will be in the same state they were during the stiff arm. At best they will be completely cooked. You will soon start to see when this is the case. Immediately test your work.

With regard to pain control I could tell you stories of things I have seen my father, Freddy Jacquin, do that have blown my mind and demonstrated to me that any pain no matter how chronic is a point of view.

Hypnosis is extremely good at changing our perspective.

I fear the stories would sound even more incredulous that 'being Denzel Washington', kind of evangelical like results. He often does this as an impromptu bit of therapy and it is miraculous in effect. Complete pain dump. Ditching of crutches that kind of thing. There was a documentary funded by the BBC a while back with Professor Kathy Sykes on Hypnotherapy. I am sure you will be able to find it somewhere. It showed a dentist usng a very simple 'clock dial method' of pain control. A relaxed presentation of the hypnotic state. She simply turned down the dial of how bothered she was. During this time she had a double tooth extraction at the front of her mouth, was then drilled straight into her gum, pegs were screwed in and teeth attached . It barely got above two on a rating of ten.

I tend to frame most pain as either perceived short term or chronic and sustained. Like everything else, pain is plastic.

Ant

Manchurian Approach - Hypnosis for Magicians 17th to 18th Jan 2009.
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Anthony thank you for that. I did suspect that if their arm was locked and their critical faculty probably bypassed i was over the most difficult hurdle but just wanted to ask

As for the pain stuff im frankly flabbergasted that if someone could be relieved from pain through hypnosis as opposed to out if their gord on diamorphine.....i stand by my initial statement some clever hypnotherapist could win a nobel for it's application in palliative care.

they new i was "a hypnotist" but not "the hypnotist" if you know what I mean.

With regards to the pain thing, I have numbed peopels arms so they feel no pain, but not everyone can be hypnotised I have found, meaning that it potentially wouldnt be something you could use on everyone in medicine?

I'd like to hear Mr Jacquin's view on that, can everyone be hypnotised?

Blapsing_Beard wrote:With regards to the pain thing, I have numbed peopels arms so they feel no pain, but not everyone can be hypnotised I have found, meaning that it potentially wouldnt be something you could use on everyone in medicine?

That is as maybe, but then some people are allergic to particular forms of medication. Doesn't stop it being used for all those who are fine with it though.

Grimshaw wrote:I'd like to hear Mr Jacquin's view on that, can everyone be hypnotised?

In theory yes. In practice no.

Everyone will experience something, some will experience everything.

It is a numbers game to identify the latter if you wish to demonstrate the full spectrum of hypnotic phenomena.

The majority of people seem capable of experiencing ideomotor movements, catalepsy and amnesia even if they cannot hallucinate. You can have lots of fun with just these phenomena.

Anthony

Blapsing_Beard wrote:they new i was "a hypnotist" but not "the hypnotist" if you know what I mean.

With regards to the pain thing, I have numbed peopels arms so they feel no pain, but not everyone can be hypnotised I have found, meaning that it potentially wouldnt be something you could use on everyone in medicine?

i know what you mean but the possibilities if they "could" be hypnotised are....well astonishing. but more importantly i have to add i dont know how much the body can take on suggestion whilst coping with say multiple organ failure (i know its grim but im just theorising....and quite possibly talking rubbish here) However, and again im not a doctor, but "if" chronic pain could be managed by hypnosis it would not only save the NHS billions but would also presumably be a faster more efficent method of delivery than doing it IV. Also....and again i might be talking rubbish but, what about the el;leviation of schizophrenia symptoms?? You get what im driving at? Im not for one minute expelling medical science that would be stupid ooopid, but just think if it was an accepted option for Docs to explore with regards to their patients in chronic pain (or any kind of pain for that matter) then its a hugely untapped resource. I mean if my mate came to me and said his head had been hurting and could i take the pain away, with hypnosis, i would tell him he is a tool and no he should see a doctor!!!!!however...in cases where the pain had been diagnosed and the causation discovered .......i just dont know but i think its a topic worth discussion and for maybe another thread (mods sorry move this if applicable)

As for realty is plastic......my only problem now is finding guinea pigs

I understand what you mean in that respect. A blokey who I had previously hypnotised told me he had a headache. I told him to look into my eyes, and that I would count form 5 to 1 and when i reach one the headache will vanish.

It worked...he was astounded...and so was I!

Blapsing_Beard wrote:I understand what you mean in that respect. A blokey who I had previously hypnotised told me he had a headache. I told him to look into my eyes, and that I would count form 5 to 1 and when i reach one the headache will vanish.

It worked...he was astounded...and so was I!

BURN HIM!

Blapsing_Beard wrote:I understand what you mean in that respect. A blokey who I had previously hypnotised told me he had a headache. I told him to look into my eyes, and that I would count form 5 to 1 and when i reach one the headache will vanish.

It worked...he was astounded...and so was I!

yes this is where i think you get into sticky teritory. if you take away someones headache and he has a sub-arachnoid haemmorhage because he didny go to the doctor, then the hypnotist has effectively killed the person because they didnt seek medical attention, because they were asymptomatic. So i wouldnt go taking away headaches.........(im still evious of your powers tho ) but with great powers come great responibility

spudgun wrote:

Blapsing_Beard wrote:I understand what you mean in that respect. A blokey who I had previously hypnotised told me he had a headache. I told him to look into my eyes, and that I would count form 5 to 1 and when i reach one the headache will vanish.

It worked...he was astounded...and so was I!

yes this is where i think you get into sticky teritory. if you take away someones headache and he has a sub-arachnoid haemmorhage because he didny go to the doctor, then the hypnotist has effectively killed the person because they didnt seek medical attention, because they were asymptomatic. So i wouldnt go taking away headaches.........(im still evious of your powers tho ) but with great powers come great responibility

yes - but that is where I also begin to wonder where if there is actually a very physical reason as to why there is a headache, the pain would go? Maybe we should get someone who is about to have a haemmorhage, see if we can take away the headachje, and then "cure" them anyways! That way, we can see if we can induce and take away mental pain, or even physical pain! hey now!

Sounds as though it's heading towards "The Facts in the Case of M. Valdemar" by Edgar Allan Poe about a mesmerist who puts a man into a hypnotic state at the moment of death. Of course, it all ends in tears!