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if its coins, pens, and other small stuff we have answered your question.
However, Vernet do a universal pull that might work.
I favour a gokum pull, for coins.

but above all.. SLEEVING, CUFFING, VESTING AND POCKETING
Should be your tools of choice.

Also, studdy the works of Greg wilson, in particular on the spot, and off the cuff. His pitch and ditch, and all around vanish have taken him quite litraly around the world, and have bought him a very nice house in the states.

lexer wrote:Ok thanks but that was not realy what i needed.
First i own the Gecko its cool but i Don't start clean but i end up clean, Raven is to expensive.

What other products can you suggest ?

Oh an i just want to vanish things like "coins, pens" and other stuff

Someone suggested that I buy Tarantula (Tarnatula by Yigal Meliska is for levetation I think).

Thanks all. I'm waiting

I really think you need to let go of your "wants" and exchange them for what is simplest and most practical to your interest.

Gimmicks fail!
You don't always have them with you
You are typically required to wear a sports coat of some such
There is a far greater risk of being found out

Yes, there are gimmicks that can give you a clean vanish but in most instances you will need a different gimmick for each item or special items to be vanished. For an example, the special items you got with your Raven.

Yes, Vernet did put out an item he called a "Universal Vanisher" long ago but it's very clumsy, based on age old methodology and does have a knack to "talk" depending on what you're vanishing. But then his TTs will allow you to vanish a nice selection of small items once you learn to use them.

There are no portable black holes, bags of holding or other such items that will solve your issue... not when it comes to a single item that does it all. The closest item that comes to that would be a Kohler Hold Out which Bob only sells to people he's seriously screened and under some very tight parameters... and that's long before the rather steep price on the items (which I don't think he's making any longer). But then there is the Owen Magic reproduction of the Keplinger Hold Out that's fairly nice but again, breaching that $3,000.00 mark.

You are looking for a magical cover-all that only exists in fairy tales. You really need to just suck it up and learn the basics. Who knows, you may end up inventing such an ultimate device on down the road once you become skilled at and thoroughly schooled in said elements (along side some physical engineering, machinist and/or jewelers school and other such craftsman skill training needed for your R&D of such an item).



Tarantula is not a vanisher by the way but a PK animator. If you had problems working with the Raven you'll hate it!

Craig Browning wrote:
There are no portable black holes, bags of holding or other such items that will solve your issue... not when it comes to a single item that does it all.

In fact, yes: the Little Boy and Fat Man gimmicks can make anything disappear.

Go back to basics, see how Sir Reggie Scott would have written about it....

lexer wrote:
Oh an i just want to vanish things like "coins, pens" and other stuff

As you're mentioning coins, young Lexer, you could do no worse than to invest in Bobo's 'Modern Coin Magic'; not only will this teach you various ungimicked vanishes for coins, but you'll have a complete repetoire of coin routines at your fingertips, all for a very low price, and all of which you can use whenever and wherever you are.

Far, far superior to any gimmick!

daleshrimpton wrote:But for good, solid practical 100% effective advice on the art, then you absolutly must start with David Berglas.

His chapter in art of close up magic volume 2...( or is it 1, i forget... heck get them both ) Is worth it's weight in gold a million times over.

It's vol.2 - I bought it specifically for the chapter on David Berglas's sleeving technique. I saw him explain this years ago at the LSM and always regretted not buying his lecture notes. It was just about the most magical thing I've ever seen.

Barry

the Curator wrote:

Craig Browning wrote:
There are no portable black holes, bags of holding or other such items that will solve your issue... not when it comes to a single item that does it all.

In fact, yes: the Little Boy and Fat Man gimmicks can make anything disappear.

Ok... I didn't think about the ultimate smoke/flash pots



(you really are a sick, sick man Christian... but I've always liked that about you)

magicofthemind wrote:

daleshrimpton wrote:But for good, solid practical 100% effective advice on the art, then you absolutly must start with David Berglas.

His chapter in art of close up magic volume 2...( or is it 1, i forget... heck get them both ) Is worth it's weight in gold a million times over.

It's vol.2 - I bought it specifically for the chapter on David Berglas's sleeving technique. I saw him explain this years ago at the LSM and always regretted not buying his lecture notes. It was just about the most magical thing I've ever seen.

Barry

He should give that talk at a tabular meeting, because I'm sure that it has uses in mentalism.Indeed, he probably used it over the years to ring in decks, or billets, and we have no clue

lexer wrote:Ok thanks but that was not realy what i needed.
First i own the Gecko its cool but i Don't start clean but i end up clean, Raven is to expensive.

What other products can you suggest ?

Oh an i just want to vanish things like "coins, pens" and other stuff

Someone suggested that I buy Tarantula (Tarnatula by Yigal Meliska is for levetation I think).

Thanks all. I'm waiting

So, the raven. Is it too expensive or too hard? At the start you said it was too hard now you say it's too expensive.

Huh?

Give us your budget for this, if Raven is too expensive for you, I fear there is nothing aside from, shudder, skill, that can help you.

also... the P.B.O.T.H Technique.

that'll vanish just about anything from a coin, to a small child.

A giant TT

coins and other similar objects? go out and purchase yourself a retention vanish. It will solve all your problems. It is really cheap because it usually comes with a ton of other ideas and utility items.

You will of course have to carefully read the directions and dedicate yourself to practice. but its well worth it.

Turantula is not used for vanishing. However you can vanish the Turantula (both the gimmick and the spider) using the retention vanish.

Really the Retention is the choice of champions.

Craig Browning wrote:There are no portable black holes, bags of holding or other such items that will solve your issue...

I spy a D&D player (even if not current)!

I suspect that the person who referred to the Tarantula might have been thinking of the Black Widow. As many have pointed out, the Tarantula is for levitations and PK stuff.

I think that the Bobo suggestion is spot on (even if it's advice I never took). Also, Bill Tarr's book 'Now You See It, Now You Don't' is a nice book on sleight of hand.

Or, you could just carry on thinking that buying gimmicks will cure all your problems and that practice isn't important.

just but a pull...the cheap royal magic ones...

but nothing will work well if you're not prepared to practice...thats the bottom line....

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see? that was the bottom line just there...

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