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Postby Mr_Grue » Sep 28th, '09, 16:14



themagicwand wrote:I really don't see the psychic community quaking in their boots (and I do have my ear very close to the ground). Derren will be preaching to the choir in many ways, and at the very least it'll be a case of "for those that believe, no evidence is needed blah blah blah..."


Also, those who believe use their own ability to determine who is fake and who isn't as a means of maintaining their self-view that they are rationally appraising the evidence. My mother, who is a shut-eye, was taught how to recognise fakes as part of her own development as a medium. It's a powerful tool for maintaining belief. I've heard quite a few spiritualists dismissing Akorah, but it makes no dint in their belief of spiritualism as a whole, if anything it reassures them that their own experiences are genuine.

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Postby daleshrimpton » Sep 28th, '09, 16:19

It's like Houdini exposing the methods used by his imitators.

This didnt do him any harm at all.

he just forgot to mention that he used them too! :)

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Postby bmat » Sep 28th, '09, 18:11

The amazing Randy has been debunking for a 100 yrs or close to it. And it hasn't hurt anyone yet if fact both he and Uri Gellar made a ton of money out of the deal.

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Postby IAIN » Sep 28th, '09, 20:57

and he's not actually debunked all that many either has he...

i was planning on using a gimmick i bought a while back on something, and then derren uses it on last week's show...it wont stop me using it though...

"oh yes, derren says at the start of his show that he uses magic and a few other things during his show...he is a magician amongst other things y'know..."

i've often wanted to say that to someone when they talk about him..but why spoil their fun eh?

all the presentations i use are my own, so I'm pretty safe that you're not going to see anyone else use mine...especially as i've just started afresh...

people have very short memories, and face to face magic/mentalism is a completely different ball game to watching it on tv i think...the experience itself is different...

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Postby Klangster1971 » Sep 28th, '09, 21:23

On a side note - talking of what DB says at the beginning of every show about using magic, misdirection, etc...

He always used to says "At no point are stooges used in this show". Now he doesn't say it but they bring up a subtitle afterwards saying something to the same effect....

What's all that about?!

As I say - a side note but I noticed it during last week's show


Sorry for hijacking the thread!


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Postby themagicwand » Sep 28th, '09, 22:31

Klangster1971 wrote: "At no point are stooges used in this show".

Yeah. Right. :wink:

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Postby Tomo » Sep 28th, '09, 22:36

Is an anonymous assistant in the crowd a stooge?

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Postby Ted » Sep 28th, '09, 22:51

Tomo wrote:Is an anonymous assistant in the crowd a stooge?


Exactly. That would be a confederate. And, as we all know, they are allowed :wink:

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Postby Tomo » Sep 28th, '09, 23:01

Ted wrote:Exactly. That would be a confederate. And, as we all know, they are allowed :wink:

Hurrah! Job's a good 'un!

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Postby Mickeyboy » Sep 29th, '09, 01:18

bmat wrote:The amazing Randy.


That'd be the Amazing 'Randi'. The Amazing Randy would do an entirely different act.

For my part, I hate it when people say "Oh, your like so-and-so" (inevitably Brown or Blaine) I've taken to describing myself as "Not so much a supermarket own brand Ali Bongo as a Happy Shopper David Nixon"

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Postby Robbie » Sep 30th, '09, 13:49

Klangster1971 wrote:He always used to says "At no point are stooges used in this show". Now he doesn't say it but they bring up a subtitle afterwards saying something to the same effect....

I thought, "Well, which show?" The subtitle came up during the stage display for the audience (light bulb trick last week). So no stooges used during that show. But we can argue that the bit in the museum is not the same show -- different time and place, different people involved. Bits done on the street (were there any last week?) are arguably different shows again. And each episode is a different show.

A touch of dual reality going on here, perhaps, playing on the ambiguity of the phrase "this show"?

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