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You're supposedly the smart one. I'll let you sit there and do the math for yourself.

Eshly wrote:

Randy wrote:Actually Derren did use Stooges, he was just really crafty about it.

Where exactly?

All of his tricks can be done without stooges.

Not gonna tell you - it would ruin the magic! You yourself even said it was your personal favourite show

Would hate to take that away from you my boy

Beardy wrote:

Eshly wrote:

Randy wrote:Actually Derren did use Stooges, he was just really crafty about it.

Where exactly?

All of his tricks can be done without stooges.

Not gonna tell you - it would ruin the magic! You yourself even said it was your personal favourite show

Would hate to take that away from you my boy

Fair enough, at least I can now strive to OUT DO Derren, rather than do equal to him. (I'm still determined to one day do his phone effect)


Tom
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DON'T FISH FOR OTHER PEOPLE'S METHODS...and will others please stop blurting out stuff too...

come on now...lets leave the dead horse where it is...

Beardy wrote:haha...I sh1t you not...the finale in the last 2 cabaret shows I did actually used this method...

Cheeky sod

To be honest even I think this thread should be locked now; I've developed a method for myself in a rather "eureka" moment, which was nice, and now its just dragging a bit. :/


(and your right, don't tell me he used stooges, it'll ruin the fun)

kolm wrote:

Beardy wrote:haha...I sh1t you not...the finale in the last 2 cabaret shows I did actually used this method...

Cheeky sod

It's funny because it is true! It' just the confidence you portray when you do it...being on stage, they are nervous anyway. It's more psychological bullying than anything else...they dont want to be seen as a nitwit who cannot read

Beardy wrote:

Eshly wrote:

Randy wrote:Actually Derren did use Stooges, he was just really crafty about it.

Where exactly?

All of his tricks can be done without stooges.

Not gonna tell you - it would ruin the magic! You yourself even said it was your personal favourite show

Would hate to take that away from you my boy

Derren didnt use a stooge in this effect.

which effect? I dont think a specific effect was mentioned?

Let's moveee on ladies and gents, this was an initial discussion on a specific effect, it then got moved on to teaching the little doink that he already has enough and now it has taken a turn for the worse, let's not worry about who is stooging or not.

Lenoir wrote:doink

Eshley, can I just say that I've read a number of your posts and you're just not listening to what people are telling you. Stop chasing every effect that you like and learn the basics. Once you've got a good understanding of the basics methods for this kind of thing will be obvious. As soon as I read your post I could see three different ways that this could be done but you just need to think.

You seem to over complicate things, keep it simple to start with, put together a nice, easy method to start with and spend time on the presentation. Get the presentation spot on and the simplicity of the method really isn't going to matter. If then you find that things are too easily reverese engineerable then firstly look at the misdirection and only then if you can't see anything wrong with that, look at the methods. I use obvious, bold methods all the time but cover them up with misdirection and get away with it.

What have I done to deserve nicknames? In my opinion its a bad thing for a magician to over simplify things, or not practise them; I don't think its bad to use multiple methods and practise more hours of the day then is healthy.

It feels like if I say mentalism is easy and simple then I'll get attacked, if I say it should be complicated and intruct I'll get attacked; if I ask for where I could legitametly buy an effect (and not ask for any exsposure at all) I'll get attacked, and I remember once saying to have seen an effect on tv, working out how it was done, then replicating it and then I got attacked for NOT buying it.

Hostile :s

Tom
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Not at all. Everybody just wants you to slow down and think. Rather than asking how somebody does the latest great trick you've seen, you should be thinking how you would do something. And everybody thinks you shouldn't waste money on expensive one-trick props and gaffs and instead buy and read books like 13 Steps

As for keeping the method simple, of course having several methods is handy for those people who ask you to "do it again", but I'm not sure anybody here would agree that a method needs to be complicated

Tom - As I see it Mentalism is very hard. you have to be a great actor to do it. Anyone can learn how to tear a piece of paper so that they retain the bit they need and burn the rest. The hard bit is convincing people you didnt do that, convincing them you are actually reading their mind.. now if you ask me, thats quite a hard thing to pull off. The technical methods are not the hard bit in Mentalism...its the performance. You have to be a great actor !!